[00:00:05] >> GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. [1) CALL TO ORDER] I'M CALLING THIS MEETING TO ORDER. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE ROLL? >> YES. MAYOR REYNA? >> PRESENT. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES? >> HERE. >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH? >> HERE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> HERE. >> COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA'S ABSENT. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. IF YOU ARE ABLE PLEASE STAND FOR A FLAG SALUTE AND REMAIN STANDING FOR THE INVOCATION BY PAUL HERNANDEZ, FREE WILL BAPTIST CHURCH. >> SALUTE PLEDGE. >> THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. >> LET'S PRAY. OUR HEAVENLY FATHER WE COME TO YOU RIGHT NOW, OH, LORD JESUS, UNITED IN PRAYER, THANKING YOU FOR THE DAY OR THE OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE FOR YOU LORD, AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE IN THIS GREAT COUNTRY THAT WE HAVE LORD, THIS GREAT COMMUNITY THAT WE HAVE. WE PRAY LORD THAT YOU WOULD GUIDE OUR LEADERS WORK WITH WISDOM AND VISION FOR OUR COMMUNITY MORE THAT THEY WOULD, AND DO WHAT'S BEST LORD FOR THE COMMUNITY AROUND THIS [INAUDIBLE], YOU WOULD BE WITH THOSE IN OUR COMMUNITY WHO ARE IN NEED, OR THOSE WHO ARE SICK, THOSE WHO ARE HOMELESS, THOSE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING ADDICTIONS OF DIFFERENT KIND, LORD, THAT YOU WOULD HELP US REACH OUT TO THEM, LORD, AND DO EVERYTHING WE CAN TO MEET THEIR NEEDS. LORD WE PRAY THAT YOU WATCH OVER US, KEEP US SAFE, WE WOULD DO ALL THINGS FOR YOUR GLORY LORD. WE ASK YOU THESE THINGS IN YOUR SON, JESUS CHRIST, PRECIOUS AND HOLY NAME. AMEN. >> [OVERLAPPING] AMEN. >> THANK YOU, PASTOR. [NOISE] MOVING ON TO ITEM 6 SINCE WE DON'T HAVE ANY PRESENTATIONS. [BACKGROUND] OUR PUBLIC COMMENTS AS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS RESERVED FOR PERSONS DESIRING TO ADDRESS THE COUNCIL AND INCLUDING THE COUNCIL, I THINK IS THE GOVERNING BOARD FOR THE SUCCESSOR AGENCY AND THE WASP GO PUBLIC FINANCE AUTHORITY ON ANY MATTER ON THIS AGENDA AND OVER WHICH THE COUNCIL SUCCESSOR AGENCY AND THE WASP PUBLIC FINANCE AUTHORITY HAD JURISDICTION. SPEAKERS ARE LIMITED TO TWO MINUTES, A MAXIMUM OF 30 MINUTES WILL BE ALLOWED FOR ANY ONE SUBJECT. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD BEFORE MAKING YOUR PRESENTATION. BROWN ACT REQUIREMENTS; THE BROWN ACT DOES NOT ALLOW ACTION OR DISCUSSION ON ITEMS NOT ON THIS AGENDA, SUBJECT TO NARROW EXCEPTIONS. THIS WILL LIMIT A COUNCIL MEMBER'S RESPONSE TO QUESTIONS OR REQUESTS MADE DURING THIS COMMON PERIOD. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? I SEE NONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS? >> WE HAVE NO MAIL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. WE'RE GOING ON TO ITEM 7, SUCCESSOR AGENCY BUSINESS. WE HAVE NON-WASP GO PUBLIC FINANCE AUTHORITY BUSINESS, NONE. [9) CONSENT CALENDAR] I SEE COUNSEL, BUSINESS [BACKGROUND] THE CONSENT CALENDAR. THE CONSENT CALENDAR CONSISTS OF ITEMS THAT IN STAFF'S OPINION ARE ROUTINE AND NON-CONTROVERSIAL. THESE ITEMS ARE APPROVED IN ONE MOTION UNLESS A COUNCIL MEMBER OR A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC REQUEST REMOVAL OF A PARTICULAR ITEM. THIS EVENING WE HAVE ITEMS 9A-9M. AT THIS TIME, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THE MEMBERS IF THEY HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST ON A PARTICULAR ITEM ON THE CONSENT CALENDAR, MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES. >> NO CONFLICT. THANK YOU. >> MEMBER LYNCH. >> NO CONFLICTS SIR. >> MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> NO CONFLICTS. >> I DON'T HAVE A CONFLICT. AT THIS TIME IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE A PARTICULAR ITEM, PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME FOR THE RECORD BEFORE MAKING YOUR COMMENTS. IS THERE ANYONE IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE AN ITEM? >> HONORABLE MAYOR, I WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM E. [OVERLAPPING] >> SCROLL IT UP. >> YOU WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE ITEM E? >> YES. FROM THE DISCUSSION. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD, THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES, SIR? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> SIR, THIS IS PROBABLY NOT THE RIGHT TIME FOR YOUR COMMENTS. >> HONORABLE, MAY YOU [INAUDIBLE] >> RIGHT. SIR, I DON'T KNOW YOUR NAME. WHAT IS YOUR NAME? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY. WE'RE GOING TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR EXCEPT THAT ITEM AND THEN YOU'LL HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK. IT'LL BE HERE SHORTLY. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> IS THERE ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO REMOVE AN ITEM, MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES? >> NO ITEMS, THANK YOU. >> MEMBER LYNCH? >> NO, SIR. >> REMEMBER MARTINEZ? >> NO, SIR. >> I DON'T HAVE AN ITEM TO REMOVE. [00:05:03] AT THIS TIME I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE ALL ITEMS EXCEPT FOR ITEM E, WHICH HAS BEEN PULLED FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> I MOVE TO ACCEPT THE CONSENT CALENDAR, EXCEPT FOR E. >> IS THERE A SECOND? >> SECOND. >> MADAM CLERK, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND, WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE BY ROLL CALL? >> YES. MAYOR, REYNA? >> AYE. >> MAYOR, PRO TEM PALLARES? >> AYE >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH? >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> AYE. >> HIGH MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ TO APPROVE THE CONSENT CALENDAR WAS SEPARATE CONSIDERATIONS ON ITEM 9E FOR FURTHER DISCUSSION. >> MAYOR, BEFORE WE STARTED ADDRESSING ITEM 9E, WE HAVE COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA LOGGED IN VIA ZOOM, NOW THAT THE RESOLUTION WAS APPROVED FOR HYBRID MEETINGS, I WILL NOW. >> OKAY. LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT HE IS JOINING THE MEETING AT THIS TIME. [NOISE] MS. LAURA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO COME TO THE PODIUM FOR ITEM E? [9) e. Adopt a Resolution approving the Cost Report for Abatement of Weeds, Trash, Rubbish, Property Board-up, and Approving the Cost Report for Outstanding Fines, Assessing the Cost Thereof and Imposing Liens Pursuant to City of Wasco Municipal Code Chapters 8.24 and 17.80.] >> HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, ITEM E, STAFF IS RECOMMENDING THAT CITY COUNCIL ADOPT THE RESOLUTION APPROVING A REVISED COST REPORT. WE HAD TWO OF THE PROPERTY OWNERS CAME TO THE CITY THIS AFTERNOON TO PAY THEIR FINES. THESE FINES ARE IN RELATION TO CODE COMPLIANCE. THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS AND ABATEMENT FEES, THEY'RE DONE ANNUALLY AND WE DO HAVE CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER SADIO GONZALES HERE WITH US TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS ON ANY OF THESE CITATIONS OR ADMINISTRATIVE CITATIONS, INCLUDING THERE'S AN ABATEMENT OF A HOUSE THAT WAS BURNED DOWN THAT THE CITY HAD TO ABATE. THE TOTAL AMOUNT AFTER THE TWO PROPERTY OWNERS THAT CAME IN TODAY WAS IT CAME DOWN TO $17,573. WE HAVE ONE OTHER PROPERTY OWNERS CAME IN AND PAID 3,000 AND THEN WE HAD ANOTHER ONE THAT CAME IN AND PAID $3,000 AND $200 THAT CAME IN AND PAID BEFORE THE COUNCIL MEETING. WE'VE SENT A REVISE EXHIBIT A TO THE CITY CLERK WITH THE RIGHT AMOUNTS. I KNOW WE DO HAVE A RESIDENT HERE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ONE OF THE LEAVES, I WILL ALLOW HIM TO COME AND WE DO HAVE OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER HERE TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS PERTAINING TO THIS CASE. >> YES. BEST TIME. BEFORE YOU DO THAT, I DO HAVE A QUESTION. ARE WE ALLOWED TO AMEND THIS ITEM E BY THE CHANGES THAT MS. LAURA JUST MENTIONED, OR DO WE NEED TO BRING IT BACK? >> I BELIEVE WE CAN ACCEPT THIS LIST AS AMENDED. >> OKAY. THAT'S CORRECT. >> [OVERLAPPING] INCLUDING ANY OTHER CHANGES THAT MIGHT OCCUR. \. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU, LAURA. SIR, WOULD YOU COME TO THE PODIUM? STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. DO IT AT THE MICROPHONE SO THAT IT CAN BE RECORDED, IF YOU WOULD, PLEASE. >> [NOISE] WILLIAM INMAN. >> THANK YOU. >> MINE IS ABOUT SPARK ON THE GRASS RIGHT BY MY FRONT DOOR. I DON'T HAVE MUCH MOBILITY AND I GOT SEVERE COPD. IT'S CLOSE TO THE FRONT DOOR SO I CAN GET TO THE HOUSE TO WHERE I'VE GOT MY OXYGEN. THEY WANT ME TO PARK OVER ON THE DRIVEWAY WHERE I DID PARK A FEW TIMES AND MY CAR ALMOST GOT DESTROYED, AND JUST ASKING FOR PERMISSION TO PARK WHERE I PARKED, I ASKED PERMISSION SO I COULD EXPAND THE DRIVEWAY. NO, YOU CAN'T DO THAT. YOU CAN'T PUT UP A CHAIN LINK FENCE. YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY YOU BOUGHT. YOU'VE GOT TO MOVE THAT. I SAID, I'D HAVE IT IN THE BACKYARD BUT SOMEBODY GAVE AWAY THE [INAUDIBLE] MEANT TO BELONG TO PG&E IN THE BACK OF THE HOUSE, SO I HAVE NO ACCESS FROM THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. MY DAUGHTER IS EXECUTIVE WITH PG&E AND SHE'S SEEN THAT THE PROPERTY THAT'S BEEN TAKEN FROM PG&E AND YES, SHE SAYS THAT IS HER PROPERTY. [BACKGROUND] I JUST DON'T [00:10:03] LIKE BEING FINED FOR PARKING ON MY OWN GRASS. I PAY THE TAXES, I PAY THE PAYMENT. [BACKGROUND] THIS JUST ISN'T RIGHT [BACKGROUND]. >> I LIKE TO HEAR FROM OUR CODE ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IF HE COULD COME TO THE PODIUM. >> I'D LIKE TO SHOW YOU THE PICTURES. >> NOW. YES, PLEASE GIVE HIM TO THE CLERK. >> I'LL SPEAK TO JUST WHAT WE DID DURING THE CASE AND WHAT WAS OUR NORMAL PROCESS. A WARNING WAS SENT OUT REGARDING THE VEHICLE IN THE GRASS AND ALSO A BOAT THAT WAS ON THE DRIVEWAY. WE GAVE 10 DAYS IN ORDER TO BE CORRECTED. WE WENT BACK AND WE BELIEVE BOTH THE BOAT AND THE VEHICLE WERE STILL AT A COMPLIANCE. AFTER WE SAW THAT, A CITATION WAS ISSUED, A CITATION GIVES A TIME PERIOD FOR APPEAL. THERE WAS NOT AN APPEAL SUBMITTED, AND SO MONTHS WENT BY COLLECTING INTERESTS. WE HAD THE HEARING IN MAY. MR. HINMAN UNFORTUNATELY, WAS NOT ABLE TO MAKE THE HEARING EITHER TO SPEAK ON THE SITUATION. AS FAR AS THE CASE GOES, WE DID OUR PROCESS, WE DID THE DUE DILIGENCE. THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES TO SPEAK WITH US, THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES TO CORRECT IT. I THINK THERE WAS OPPORTUNITIES UP UNTIL THE HEARING. UNFORTUNATELY, HE WASN'T ABLE TO MAKE AS WELL. AS FAR AS GRANTING PERMISSION TO BE ABLE TO PARK NEAR YOUR FRONT DOOR, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE DO. IT IS A VIOLATION IN THE CITY OF MOSCOW TO PARK ON YOUR GRASS. >> THANK YOU. >> HERE [INAUDIBLE] >> IS YOUR RECOMMENDATION THAT WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS? IS THAT WHAT IT IS? >> MS. LAURA ACTUALLY CONDUCTED THE HEARING, SO SHE HAS MORE INFORMATION ON THIS. >> HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, COUNCIL DOES NEED TO MAKE A DECISION TODAY AND DESK CALLS TO THE CURRENT COUNTY TAX ROLL, AND THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT OUR PROPERTY LIST TO THE COUNTY IS JULY 1ST. IF YOU WOULD LIKE THIS ITEM WE WOULD NEED TO COME BACK PRIOR TO THAT BUT THE RECOMMENDATION IT IS FOR CITY COUNCIL TO APPROVE THE REVISED EXHIBIT A. EVERYBODY WE HAD QUITE A FEW THAT DID COME TO THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I WAS A PUBLIC HEARING OFFICER. IN ADDITION TO HEARING THEIR CASES, WE ALSO WENT OUT AND DID FIELD INSPECTIONS. ME BEING NEW TO THE CITY, I WAS WANTING TO ENSURE THAT THESE ITEMS, THE ONES THAT CAME IN AND WERE MAKING THEIR CASES, WE WENT OUT THERE, WE LOOKED AT THE PROPERTIES. A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT DID COME TO THE HEARING, THEY DID GET A DISCOUNT FOR COMING AND MAKING AN EFFORT, AND WE ENSURED THAT THE VIOLATION WAS ADDRESSED, OR EVERYBODY THAT CAME AND STATED THAT THEY HAD ADDRESSED THE VIOLATIONS THEY DID. WE WENT OUT THERE AND WE DID OUR INSPECTIONS. OUR RECOMMENDATION IS FOR THE CITY COUNCIL TO ADOPT THIS RESOLUTION TO ALLOW US TO PUT THIS ON THE TAX ROLL THROUGH THE CURRENT COUNTY. [BACKGROUND] >> I DO HAVE AN ADDITIONAL QUESTION. >> SURE. >> NOW, I DIDN'T QUITE GET THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME. DO YOU KNOW THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME? BECAUSE I COULD NOT HEAR HIM. >> HINMAN. >> HINMAN. >> HINMAN. >> MR. HINMAN, THE PICTURES THAT YOU SHARED WITH US, REALLY LOOKED TERRIBLE.[BACKGROUND] >> MAYOR, ARE YOU GOING TO ASK HIM SOME QUESTIONS OR HE CAN COME BACK TO THE PODIUM? >> YES. PLEASE COME BACK TO THE PODIUM, MR. HINMAN. THE CITY DOES HAVE ORDINANCES FOR THIS THINGS YOU MENTIONED. NOT KEEPING THE BOAT ON THE DRIVEWAY. WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR THAT. CHAIN LINK FENCE ARE NO LONGER ALLOWED. >> WHAT'S THAT? >> THE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED DURING YOUR COMMENT, THE CITY HAS ORDINANCES THAT PROHIBIT THOSE THINGS TO BE HAPPENING ON YOUR PROPERTY, SUCH AS THE CHAIN LINK FENCE, THE BOAT ON THE DRIVEWAY, OR KEEPING YOUR VEHICLE ON THE GRASS, [00:15:02] THOSE ARE NOT PERMITTED. >> I ONLY HAVE A ONE CAR DRIVEWAY. EVERYBODY ELSE AROUND HAS AT LEAST A TWO CAR. I WAS JUST ASKED TO EXPAND MINE, SO IT'S CLOSER TO MY FRONT DOOR. YOU CAN'T EXPAND ON THAT SIDE, 100 PERCENT OF THE HOUSES ARE. >> LET ME ADDRESS WHAT'S CURRENTLY GOING ON HERE. YOU WERE IN VIOLATION OF THESE ORDINANCES, WHEN THEY ISSUED THAT CITATION. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? >> I TRIED TO EXPLAIN IT TO THEM, WHY I'M PARKED THERE. THEY DIDN'T WANT TO LISTEN. AS FAR AS THAT'S SHOWING UP FOR THE LAST ONE, I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. I WAS FLAT IN BED FOR ABOUT A WEEK OR TWO. I COULDN'T MAKE IT. THEN I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL, IN INTENSIVE CARE FOR A WEEK. IT'S NOT LIKE THAT. >> IT'S A CONDITION OF THE PROPERTY, IS IT ON THE PICTURES AT THIS TIME? >> [INAUDIBLE] DOESN'T WANT TO FIRE. SOMEONE SET IT ON FIRE. THESE ARE IMAGES THAT WE TOOK AT DRIVEWAY. AS FAR AS SYSTEM JUST A LITTLE MORE LIKE JUST A REMINDER, NOT NASOGASTRIC ENCOURAGED BY THE CITIES SETTINGS, CONTINUED TO PARK IN THE GRASS AND WHY. I WENT BY THAT LAST WEEK, YOU STILL PARKED IN THE GRASS. IT'S BEEN EXPLAINED THAT IT IS A VIOLATION. IT'S JUST A MATTER OF WHETHER. THE BOAT IS NO LONGER THERE TO BE COMBINED WITH THAT. >> I JUST EXPLAIN TO THE LADY BEHIND ME THAT'S ACTUALLY TAKEN UP THE WHOLE MONTH IT WAS PG AND EASE THAT WE CAN REMOVE ALL THAT STUFF, YOU'VE PROVED PG, AND H. SHE ALLOWED ME THEN TO PUT AN OPENING IN MY GATE. >> MR. HINMAN IF HE WOULD ADDRESS ME. I WANT TO FIND SOME POSSIBLE SOLUTION THAT CAN HELP YOU. BUT I DO WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CANNOT CONTINUE TO VIOLATE THE ORDINANCES. WOULD STAFF BE AGREEABLE TO MAYBE GIVE HIM AN OPPORTUNITY TO CORRECT WHAT HE HASN'T CORRECTED? >> IF I COULD, MS. LAURA. ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION IS, HE'S GOT EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES WITH BEING UNABLE TO ATTEND THE APPEAL HEARING, UNLIKE THE OTHERS WHO WERE ABLE TO ATTEND. I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE REASONABLE TO ALLOW A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF TIME TO MEET WITH STAFF, DO A SITE VISIT SIMILAR TO WHAT WAS AFFORDED THE OTHER FOLKS THAT HAD BEEN CITED. >> THERE IS ONE OTHER THING ALSO. I DON'T APPRECIATE SOMEBODY TELLING ME WHAT I CAN AND CANNOT DO ON MY PROPERTY, WHEN THEIR OWN HOUSE ISN'T IN ORDER. THEY DON'T HAVE HANDICAP PARKING UPFRONT. THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PLACE FOR THE ELDERLY OR HANDICAPPED TO SIT. WHEN YOU GO IN THERE, THEY COME BACK AT THEIR TIME AND EXPECT YOU TO STAND AND WAIT. >> I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT MR. HINMAN. >> [INAUDIBLE] THE CODE COMPLIANCE. >> CAN WE KEEP THE COMMENTS REGARDING YOUR SITUATION, SO IT DOES NOT GET OVERLY COMPLICATED. I'M TRYING TO HELP YOU. I HOPE YOU REALIZE THAT. >> I'M SORRY. >> IF YOU ADD OTHER THINGS, IT GETS MORE COMPLICATED AND THERE'S NO NEED TO DO THAT. >> YES. >> OUR CITY MANAGER JUST OFFER AN OPPORTUNITY, SO FIND A BETTER RESOLUTION TO THIS, THAN WHAT HAS BEEN PRESENTED. >> TO CONTINUE WITH THAT, THEN IF WE ADOPT THIS LIST LESS MR. HINMAN'S ASSESSMENT TO GIVE SOME TIME, IF THE ASSESSMENT STICKS, IT WOULD GO IN THROUGH THE NEXT CYCLE. BUT YOU WOULD HAVE TIME TO WORK WITH US ON THAT. WE COULD LOOK AT I DON T THINK THAT CONTINUING TO PARK ON THE GRASS IS THE SOLUTION. BUT I THINK PERHAPS WE CAN LOOK AT A VARIANCE FOR A DRIVEWAY SITUATION, THAT DOES ALLOW SOMETHING THAT WITHIN CODE OR A VARIANCE OF CODE THAT WOULD ALLOW HIM TO PARK ON CONCRETE. SOUNDS LIKE HE'S WILLING TO EXPAND HIS DRIVEWAY. I KNOW THAT WE DO HAVE ISSUES WITH THAT, WITH THE PERCENTAGE OF CONCRETE IN FRONT YARDS AND WHATNOT. >> WE HAVE AN ORDINANCE THAT ADDRESSES THAT. >> WE DO. WE NEED TO LOOK AND SEE IF THERE'S A WAY TO WORK WITHIN THAT ORDINANCE OR PROVIDE SOME VARIANCE, DUE TO HIS LIMITED MOBILITY AND MEDICAL CONDITIONS. BUT I THINK THAT COULD BE DONE WITH STAFF IN THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO WORK THROUGH THOSE ISSUES. >> THAT SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THE RIGHT SOLUTION. MR. HINMAN, DID YOU HEAR WHAT OUR CITY MANAGER HAD TO SAY? >> YES. >> THEY'RE WILLING TO MEET WITH YOU AGAIN, [00:20:02] BECAUSE YOUR ABILITY TO ATTEND THE HEARING, AND THEY'RE WILLING TO TALK WITH YOU AND FIND A SOLUTION INCLUDING [NOISE] POSSIBLY EXPANDING YOUR DRIVEWAY IF WE CAN FIND A WAY TO GIVE YOU A VARIANCE, BECAUSE OF YOUR LACK OF MOBILITY, WHICH WE HAVE ALLUDED TOO. BUT I DO WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE ORDINANCE EXISTS FOR THE BENEFIT OF EVERYONE, AND WE CANNOT ARBITRARILY SAY TO YOU, WELL, YOU DON'T HAVE TO FOLLOW. >> WELL, NOT RIGHT NOW. I CAN PARK ALL THE WAY UP IN MY DRIVEWAY BECAUSE MY DAUGHTER SOLD HER CAR, SO I HAVE A LITTLE BIT SHORTER OF A WALK. >> VERY GOOD. DOES THAT SOUND LIKE A VERY GOOD SOLUTION TO YOU? A POSSIBLE GOOD SOLUTION FOR YOU TO MEET WITH OUR STAFF AND DISCUSS THIS FURTHER BEHIND THOSE THINGS THAT OUR CITY MANAGER SAID, MAYBE GIVE YOU A VARIANCE WHERE YOU CAN EXPAND YOUR DRIVEWAY AND PARK CLOSER TO YOU. >> SOUNDS GOOD TO ME MAYOR. >> VERY GOOD. THANK YOU FOR YOUR INPUT. >> THANK YOU FOR COMING. >> WE WILL GO AHEAD AND SUBMIT TO APPROVE. I WILL DO THAT. I'LL SUBMIT TO APPROVE ITEM E, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MR. HINMAN'S PROPERTY. WE'RE MODIFYING IT. THEN STAFF WILL SET UP SOME TYPE OF A TIME AND DATE TO MEET WITH MR. HINMAN TO FIND A SOLUTION. >> WE'RE ALSO EMITTING THE OTHER TWO THAT PAID THEIR BILL TODAY. >> HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, I BELIEVE OUR CITY CLERK HAS THE REVISED EXHIBIT ALREADY. IT WAS E-MAILED TO HER AN HOUR BEFORE THE MEETING. I BELIEVE HE'S PROPERTY ADDRESSES 1225 SECOND STREET, WE'RE REMOVING THAT ONE, MARIA. THE $944 WILL BE REMOVED. >> YEAH, THEY'RE 3,000 AND THE 200. >> HINMAN SEAN. MR. HINMAN, THAT IS WHAT COUNCIL WILL PROPOSE. >> RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT PAGE. >> YES. THAT IS THE PROPERTY THAT IS BEING DISCUSSED RIGHT NOW. THAT'S THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. >> 425 SECOND STREET? >> YES. JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, WE'RE SUSPENDING THE SUBMITTAL OF THIS AS AN ASSESSMENT. THEN IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER FOLKS, WHETHER THERE WAS A NEGOTIATION OF THE CITATION AMOUNT ANYWHERE FROM NO TO FALL AS A RESULT OF THIS. POTENTIALLY A NEW DOLLAR AMOUNT WOULD BE ESTABLISHED AT SUCH TIME AS WE MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS. >> YOU'VE ALREADY GIVING CONSIDERATION TO MR. HINMAN'S LACK OF MOBILITY, SO LET'S ALSO LOOK AT THAT. WE'RE ASSESSING ANY FINDINGS. IF ANY WILL BE ASSESSED. >> WE CAN DO THAT. >> THANK YOU. I MOVE FORWARD THIS ITEM WITH THE MODIFICATIONS IS EXPLAINED AND IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND. >> I THINK MR. PALLARES. MADAM CLERK HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECONDED, WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE BY ROLL CALL? >> MAYOR REYNA? >> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH? >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> AYE. >> MOTION BY MAYOR REYNA, SECONDED BY MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES TO APPROVE ITEM 9E FOR THE CHANGES TO EXHIBIT A AND AMENDMENT AS MENTIONED. MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. I WILL JUST ASK STAFF JUST LET ME KNOW WHAT TRANSPIRES AFTER YOU MEET WITH MR. HINMAN. THANK YOU. WE DON'T HAVE ANY PUBLIC HEARINGS OR DEFER BUSINESS. WE'RE MOVING ON TO ITEM 12, NEW BUSINESS. [12) a. Adopt a Resolution placing two Ballot Measures on November 8, 2022, General Municipal Election if the Office of the City Clerk and City Treasurer should be filled by election or appointment. (Hurlbert)] ADOPT THE RESOLUTION PLACING TWO BALLOT MEASURES ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2022. GENERAL MUNICIPAL ELECTION OF THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK AND CITY TREASURER. EXCUSE ME, I THOUGHT THAT WAS A TYPO BUT IT WAS NOT. IF THE OFFICE OF THE CITY CLERK AND CITY TREASURER SHOULD BE FILLED BY ELECTION OR APPOINTMENT. MR. HURLBERT. >> YES, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. THIS IS AN ITEM THAT HAS BEEN DISCUSSED BRIEFLY IN THE PAST, BUT WE HAVE A LEGACY STRUCTURE FOR THE ELECTED CLERK AND ELECTED TREASURER. IN THE MOST RECENT TIMES, WE'VE HAD A COINCIDENT EMPLOYEE, THIS SAME PERSON PERFORMING THOSE DUTIES AS AN EMPLOYEE OF THE CITY AS WELL. THE PRACTICE OF AN ELECTED CLERK AND TREASURER IS AGAIN, SOMEWHAT ARCHAIC. THERE ARE VERY FEW CITIES THAT CONTINUE WITH THIS STRUCTURE FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS. [00:25:05] ONE IS THE JOBS OF TREASURE AND CLERK HAVE BECOME SIGNIFICANTLY MORE COMPLEX THAN THEY WERE AT THE TIME THAT THIS STRUCTURE WAS SET UP WITH SIGNIFICANT TRAINING, CERTIFICATION, ALL FACTORS KEEPING UP WITH LAWS AND REGULATIONS AS THEY CHANGE FROM YEAR TO YEAR. THE STAFF HAS RESEARCHED THIS. WE'VE ACTUALLY ENGAGED A CONSULTANT TO HELP US WITH STUDYING THIS AND HOW THIS CAN BE DONE. THE SOLUTION, IT MUST BE APPROVED BY THE VOTERS TO CONVERT THESE POSITIONS FROM ELECTED TO TYPICAL TYPE OF EMPLOYEE ARRANGEMENTS. THERE'S A STEP IN BETWEEN WHERE IF THE COUNCIL DECIDED TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS, IT WAS PLACED ON THE BALLOT AND WAS APPROVED. THE CURRENT CYCLE WOULD STILL NEED TO RUN ITS COURSE AND THE TWO INDIVIDUALS WOULD NOW BECOME COUNCIL APPOINTED POSITIONS. THERE'LL BE ANOTHER STEP INVOLVED IN THE COUNCIL DELEGATING THAT RESPONSIBILITY FOR SELECTION OF THOSE POSITIONS TO THE CITY MANAGER LIKE ANY OTHER DEPARTMENT HEAD. THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP, BUT WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE ABLE TO ADDRESS THAT UNTIL AFTER NOVEMBER IF THIS WAS ACTUALLY SUCCESSFUL. ANOTHER NUMBER OF OTHER POINTS WE COULD DISCUSS, BUT I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME TO DISCUSS. >> THANK YOU MR. HURLBERT. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS? >> NO EMAIL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME, MAYOR. >> THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS? MAYOR PRO TEM? >> NO COMMENT. THANK YOU, MAYOR. >> MEMBER LYNCH? >> NO COMMENTS SIR. >> MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> NO COMMENTS. >> MEMBER GARCIA? >> NONE AT THIS TIME. >> I DIDN'T HEAR WHAT HE SAID. >> HE SAID, NONE AT THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU. I'LL JUST SAY THAT THIS IS A VERY GOOD IDEA. THE DUTIES OF A CITY CLERK AND ALSO THE TREASURER ARE COMPLICATED NOWADAYS. MAYBE THEY WEREN'T BEFORE, BUT NOW THEY'RE VERY COMPLICATED. I THINK IT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA TO MOVE FORWARD. I'LL MOVE THIS FORWARD. IS THERE A SECOND ONE? >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE BY ROLL CALL? >> YES. MAYOR REYNA? >> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH? >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> AYE. >> MOTION BY MAYOR REYNA, SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION PLACING THE TWO BALLOT MEASURES ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2022 GENERAL ELECTION, MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. ITEM B, DISCUSSION AND POSSIBLE MINUTE ACTION TO A 0.1 VOTING [12) b. Discussion and Possible Minute Action to Appoint One Voting Delegate and Two Alternates for the League of California Cities 2022 Annual Conference and Expo held on September 7-9, 2022, in Long Beach, California. (Hurlbert)] DELEGATE AND TWO ALTERNATES FOR THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES 2022 ANNUAL CONFERENCE AND EXPO HELD ON SEPTEMBER 7TH THROUGH 9TH OF THIS YEAR IN LONG BEACH, CALIFORNIA. MR. HURLBERT? >> YES. THIS IS SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE FAMILIAR TO THE COUNCIL MEMBERS THAT EACH YEAR AT ITS ANNUAL CONFERENCE, THE LEAGUE WILL HOLD AN ACTUAL SESSION WHERE THERE'S VOTING THAT TAKES PLACE FOR EACH MEMBER CITY. TO ACCOMPLISH THAT, WE ASKED THE COUNCIL SELECT FROM ITS MEMBERS ONE LEAD AND TWO ALTERNATE TO BE ASSIGNED THAT DUTY OF VOTING. AS WE GET CLOSER TO THE CONFERENCE, THE ITEMS THAT WILL BE AVAILABLE FOR VOTING WILL BE BROUGHT BACK FOR DISCUSSION AND RECOMMENDATIONS FROM STAFF AS WELL. OBVIOUSLY THE REQUIREMENTS FOR THIS WOULD BE FOLKS THAT ARE PLANNING TO ATTEND AND IT'S LIKELY TO ATTEND. THAT'S WHY WE CHOOSE A LEAD AND TWO ALTERNATES BECAUSE PLANTS DO CHANGE. >> THANK YOU. MR. HURLBERT. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME ON THIS ITEM? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS? >> NO EMAIL COMMENTS. >> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS, MAYOR PRO TEM? >> NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> MEMBER LYNCH. >> NO COMMENTS SIR. >> MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> NO COMMENTS. >> I'LL JUST POINT OUT THAT IN THE PAST MEMBER GARCIA HAS BEEN OUR VOTING DELEGATE, AND HE'S ATTENDING THIS CONFERENCE IS MI AND MR. PALLARES. I WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT WE SELECT MEMBER GARCIA AS OUR VOTING DELEGATE AND MR. PALLARES AND MYSELF AS ALTERNATES. IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND IT. >> I THINK HE WAS SMILING, SO I'M ASSUMING HE'S SAYING YES. >> I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE HE CONCURRED. [00:30:03] >> DO YOU ACCEPT THIS MEMBER GARCIA? >> YES, I [INAUDIBLE] >> YOU DON'T SEE? >> I KNOW THAT. [LAUGHTER] >> OKAY. [BACKGROUND] >> YOU HAVE TO STICK AROUND, I DON'T. I'M KIDDING. [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. MADAM CLERK, WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE BY ROLL CALL? >> YES. MAYOR REYNA. >> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> AYE. >> MOTION BY MAYOR REYNA, SECONDED BY COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ TO APPOINT COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA'S VOTING DELEGATE AND TO APPOINT MAYOR REYNA AND COUNCIL MEMBER, MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES AS ALTERNATIVES ALTERNATES FOR THE LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES ANNUAL CONFERENCE. MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. I DO WANT TO POINT OUT, MR. HUBBARD, I'D LIKE TO COME IN TO BRING IT ANY ISSUES THAT WE'RE GOING TO BE VOTING ON THAT MR. GARCIA WILL BE VOTING ON BEFORE THE COUNCIL. WE DID THAT THE LAST TIME, BUT PREVIOUS TO THAT WE DIDN'T USE TO DO THAT. IT'S VERY IMPORTANT THAT THE WHOLE COUNCIL BE INVOLVED IN THE DECISION-MAKING. >> RIGHT. >> THANK YOU FOR MAKING SURE THAT THAT HAPPENS. ALL RIGHT. [12) c. Adopt a Resolution Authorizing the City Manager or his designee to use Corona Virus State and Local Fiscal Recovery Funds under the American Resue Plan Act (ARPA) of 2021 to offer Complimentary Dial-a-Ride Services from July 2022 to August 31, 2022, a Summer Promotion. (Martinez)] ITEM C, ADOPT A RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER AND OR HIS DESIGNEE TO USE CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS UNDER THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT, ARPA, OF 2021, TO OFFER COMPLIMENTARY DOLLAR ARISE SERVICES FROM JULY 2022 TO AUGUST 31, 2022. A SUMMER PROMOTION MEMBER, MEMBER MARTINEZ. MS. MARTINEZ. >> [LAUGHTER] GOOD EVENING, MAYOR AND COUNCIL MEMBER. THIS ITEM THAT HAS BEEN BROUGHT TO YOU FOR CONSIDERATION IS THE SUMMER PROMOTION TO OFFER COMPLIMENTARY RIGHTS FOR THE CITY. WE WILL BE OFFERING IT TO ALL PASSENGERS WITHIN THE CITY BOUNDARIES. THIS WILL HELP ENCOURAGE RIDERSHIP AND ALSO PROMOTE OUR PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. THE SUMMER PROMOTION WILL BE FOR A SHORT-TERM, AS HE'S MENTIONED, FROM JULY THE 1ST THROUGH AUGUST 31ST, AND THERE WILL NOT BE ANY IMPACT TO OUR GENERAL FUND BECAUSE WE WILL BE USING ARPA FUNDS. STAFF IS RECOMMENDING APPROVAL FOR THIS ITEM. DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? >> THANK YOU. >> ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS? >> NO EMAIL COMMENTS, MAYOR. >> ALL RIGHT. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS, PRO TEM PALLARES? >> NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU, MEMBER LYNCH. >> NO COMMENTS. >> MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> I THINK IT'S A GREAT IDEA THAN THAT. >> I'LL MAKE THAT SAME COMMENT. WHAT A WONDERFUL IDEA TO GET FIGHTERSHIP BACK SINCE WE WERE SHUT DOWN FOR A WHILE. WILL WE HAVE OUR ELECTRIC BUSES BY THEN? >> NO. >> NO. [LAUGHTER] >> WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A WEEK-AND-A-HALF FROM NOW. >> OH, YEAH. [LAUGHTER] >> BUT I DO SEE SOME AND ACTUALLY, WE DO HAVE ONE POSITIVE THING TO SAY. WE DO HAVE OUR SECOND DOLLAR RAID DRIVER. HE STARTED MONDAY, SO THIS IS REALLY GOOD FOR THE DEPARTMENT. >> THANKS SO MUCH >> GET THOSE TWO BUSES DRIVEN. >> ALL RIGHT. WELL, IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL MOVE THIS FORWARD. I'M EXCITED ABOUT IT. IS THERE A SECOND? >> I'LL SECOND THE MOTION, SIR. >> ALL RIGHT. MADAM CLERK, HAS BEEN MOVED AND SECOND, WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE BY ROLL CALL? >> MAYOR REYNA. >> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES. >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA. >> [INAUDIBLE]. [BACKGROUND] >> OH, WE DIDN'T HEAR. [LAUGHTER] COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH. >> MY APOLOGIES, MEMBER, GARCIA. [LAUGHTER] >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH. >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> AYE. >> MOTION BY MAYOR REYNA SECONDED BY COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION FOR COMPLEMENTARY DOLLAR RIGHTS SERVICES. MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. ITEM D IS THIS INFORMATION [12) d. Informational only-Update and Discussion Regarding: (Hurlbert)] ONLY UPDATE AND DISCUSSION REGARDING CLEAN CALIFORNIA DOWNTOWN ESTEEMED PROJECT, COMMUNITY LIGHTING PROJECT, VACCINATION PROMOTION, MR. HUBBARD. >> YES. HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. AS THE TITLE SUGGESTS, THESE ARE FOR INFORMATION ONLY, BUT IN RESPONSE TO SOME OF THE QUESTIONS WE'VE HAD RECENTLY. REALLY THREE ITEMS, AND I'M GOING TO DEFER TO THE DETAILS OF THESE TWO STAFF AND MS. LAURA WILL PRESENT THE FIRST ONE ON THE DOWNTOWN LANDSCAPE PROJECT. >> HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, LIKE OUR CITY MANAGER MENTIONED, THIS IS AN UPDATE TO THE SEVENTH STREET BEAUTIFICATION PROJECT. I KNOW LAST COUNCIL MEETING, OUR COUNCIL MEMBER ALEX GARCIA ASKED FOR AN UPDATE. SO THIS IS WHERE WE ARE. OUR FIRST MILESTONE WAS SUBMITTING A GRANT APPLICATION FOR FIVE MILLION DOLLARS AFTER LEARNING [00:35:04] THAT ALL THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THAT AREA IS OVER FIVE MILLION DOLLARS. WE SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, RECEIVED NOTIFICATION OF THE AWARD A MONTH AFTER. SINCE THEN, WE ALSO APPROVED BHT ENGINEERING TO DO A TOPOGRAPHIC SURVEY OF THE AREA. THIS WILL HELP US LOCATING EVERYTHING THAT'S ABOVE GROUND AND UNDERGROUND. WHEN WE START DOING THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS, THIS WILL SPEED UP THE PROJECT. IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THE STANDARD AGREEMENT FROM THE STATE FOR THE GRANT. LAST WEEK, JUNE 13TH, WE RECEIVE THE STANDARD AGREEMENT PACKET. IN FACT, TODAY YOU APPROVE THAT ITEM. IT WAS ONE OF THE ITEMS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA. WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO ANY WORK UNTIL WE HAVEN'T EXECUTED GRANT AGREEMENT. WHAT THAT MEANS IS WE HAVE TO SIGN IT, RETURN IT, WAIT FOR THEM TO SIGN IT AND GET IT BACK TO US AND GIVE US THE GREEN LIGHT THAT WE CAN GO AHEAD AND SPEND MONEY. THIS IS NOT A NOTICE TO PROCEED. UNTIL THEN, STAFF, WE'VE BEEN WORKING INTERNALLY, DEPUTY PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR CAMERON AND MYSELF HAVE BEEN WORKING ON A REQUEST FOR PROPOSAL FOR ENGINEERING SERVICES. BECAUSE ONCE WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT, WE DO WANT TO HIRE AN ENGINEERING FIRM THAT CAN COME IN AND FINISH THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS FOR ALL THE WORK THAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IN THAT AREA. WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT THAT WILL TAKE ABOUT A MONTH OR TWO. WE HAVE TO PUBLISH IT FOR A MONTH. THEN RIGHT AFTER THAT, WE WILL BRING IT BACK TO COUNCIL AND ASK FOR APPROVAL OF AN ENGINEERING, WHICHEVER ENGINEERING FIRM WE SELECT. IT WILL COME BACK TO COUNCIL FOR APPROVAL. THEN THE ENGINEERING FIRM WOULD HAVE ABOUT 4-6 MONTHS TO DO THE PLANS AND DO THE BED PACKAGE AND GET EVERYTHING READY TO PUT OUT TO BID FOR THE CONTRACTORS TO DO THE CONSTRUCTION WORK. WE'RE ANTICIPATING THAT CONSTRUCTION WILL TAKE ABOUT 6-8 MONTHS TO GET EVERYTHING DONE. WE WOULD WORK WITH THE BUSINESSES AND WITH EVERYBODY IN THAT AREA TO GIVE THEM PLENTY OF NOTICE. BUT EVERYTHING HAS TO BE DONE BY JUNE 30TH OF 2024. THAT IS THE DEADLINE. IT'S A VERY AGGRESSIVE TIMELINE, BUT WE FEEL CONFIDENT THAT IT CAN GET DONE. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HOPE I WAS ABLE TO GIVE A ROADMAP OF WHERE WE'RE AT AND WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN. >> THANK YOU. MS. LAURA. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS ON THIS ITEM AT THIS TIME? I SEE NONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL OR COMMENTS? >> NO EMAIL COMMENTS, MAYOR. >> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS, PRO TEM PALLARES? >> NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> MEMBER LYNCH. >> JUST A QUESTION. ARE WE GOING TO BE ABLE TO COMPLETE THIS BY JUNE 30, 2024 WITH ALL THESE? IT'S GOING TO TAKE THIS LONG, THIS LONG, THIS LONG. >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH, YES. THE STAFF FEELS CONFIDENT AND PART OF IT AS HAVING THIS ROADMAP AND FOLLOWING IT AND MAKING SURE WE'RE ON TOP OF THE PROJECT. THEN WE HAVE A GREAT TEAM THAT IS FOLLOWING THIS PROJECT VERY CLOSELY. OUR HANDS RIGHT NOW ARE TIE UNTIL WE GET THE GREEN LIGHT FROM THE STATE. BECAUSE IF WE SPEND ANY MONEY PRIOR TO THIS EXECUTED GRANT AGREEMENT, IT DOESN'T GET REIMBURSE. THE CITY WILL HAVE TO EAT IT. >> UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. >> MEMBER GARCIA? >> THANK YOU. JUST LET US KNOW [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> I JUST LIKE THE CONFIDENCE THAT YOU GAVE THAT IT WILL GET DONE AND YOU DIDN'T EVEN HESITATE. THAT GIVES ME CONFIDENCE YOU GUYS WILL GET IT DONE. >> THANK YOU. I KNOW WE'RE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THAT, BUT I DO WANT YOU TO THINK ABOUT SOMETHING WHICH IS PARKING. PARKING IS VERY, VERY AT A PREMIUM DOWNTOWN AND SO WHEN WE START THIS PROJECT, WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT SOMEHOW WE DO NOT AFFECT ALL OF THE PARKING AT ONE TIME BECAUSE IT WILL BE A DISASTER. [00:40:02] SOMETHING TO CONSIDER AT THAT POINT THAT WE NEED TO FIGURE OUT WAYS, THE DIFFERENT STAGES OF IT SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE OUR BUSINESS OWNERS UP IN ARMS, AS WELL AS THOSE WHO PATRONIZE THEM. ANYWAY, THANK YOU. I WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN A MOTION. >> NO. >> NO MOTION REQUIRED. >> OH, YES. I'M SORRY. I MOVED DOWN TO THE BOTTOM. I HAD ALREADY CROSSED IT OUT. I'M SORRY. ALL RIGHT, THERE WE GO. >> HONORABLE MAYOR, I BELIEVE THE NEXT PERSON TO COME UP TO THE PODIUM IS MR. LUIS VILLA, WHO WILL BE SPEAKING ABOUT THE LIGHTING PROJECT. >> VERY GOOD. MR. [INAUDIBLE]. MR. VILLA. >> YES. HONORABLE MAYOR, COUNCIL, I'D ALSO HAVE AN UPDATE ON THE LIGHTING PROJECTS. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE [INAUDIBLE]. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> NO. JUST HANG ON TO THAT. >> THE OTHER ONE? >> WE CAN DO THAT ONE. THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN RIGHT NOW, THAT'S THE, [LAUGHTER] DID YOU CHANGE IT? >> [INAUDIBLE] >> I CAN DO THAT ONE. >> OKAY, GO AHEAD. >> IT'S ALL GOOD, OKAY. HERE WE GO. THESE ARE THE POST [INAUDIBLE] CONVERSIONS CITY STAFF HAS BEEN WORKING ON FOR A COUPLE OF MONTHS NOW, A TOTAL OF 135 POST [INAUDIBLE] CONVERSIONS AROUND THE CITY HAVE BEEN UPGRADED TO LED, A TOTAL OF ABOUT 100 ARE LEFT AROUND THE CITY TO CONVERT AND ANTICIPATE DATE FOR THAT PROBABLY WITH EVERYTHING GOING ON, MAYBE A COUPLE OF MORE MONTHS FOR THE OTHER 100 TO BE CONVERTED TO LED. YOU CAN GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE. THAT'S THE LIGHTING PROJECT FROM THE FIRST STREET. ON THAT ONE, STAFF RECEIVED PG&E PLANS AND MET WITH PG&E LAST MONTH, STREET DEPARTMENT IS TO START CONDUIT BOXES, THAT'S GOING TO START ON THIS THURSDAY AND FRIDAY. LET ME SEE ON THAT ONE. LIGHTS TO BE COMPLETED FOR THIS ONE WILL BE MARCH OF 2023 PENDING ANY SETBACKS THROUGH PG&E OR ANY MATERIALS LIKE THE LIGHT POST FOR ORDERING. THE NEXT ONE, WE DO NOT HAVE A SLIDE, IT'S FOR THE SOUTH GATE NEIGHBORHOOD LIGHTING. THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED IN APRIL OF '22. [NOISE] THE PROJECT HAS BEEN PRE-APPROVED AND AGREEMENTS SHOULD BE IN PLAY NOW, DEVELOPING AGREEMENTS I SHOULD SAY, BY THE END OF THE AUGUST, THEY SHOULD BE PRETTY MUCH READY FOR THE CITY. IF APPROVED BY COUNCIL EARLY SEPTEMBER, WE SHOULD BE BEGINNING DESIGN ON THAT, AND ALLOWING FOR DESIGN AND PG&E, POSITIVE DESIGN TO BE COMPLETED IN MAY OF 2023, CONSTRUCTION AROUND NOVEMBER, DECEMBER OF 2023 ON THAT. WITH THAT, THAT'S THE INFORMATION I HAVE ON THE UPDATE ON THE LIGHTING UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME THEN I CAN ANSWER. >> THANK YOU. MR. VILLA, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. VILLA, MAYOR [INAUDIBLE]? >> NO QUESTIONS. THANK YOU. >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> NO. NONE AT THIS TIME. >> MEMBER GARCIA? >> [INAUDIBLE] NOVEMBER, DECEMBER FOR THE SOUTH GATE NEIGHBORHOOD [INAUDIBLE]. >> FOR THE SOUTH GATE NEIGHBORHOOD? >> THE ONE THAT'S ON THE SCREEN. >> NO, THAT ONE IS MARCH OF 2023 FOR COMPLETION. >> CORRECT [INAUDIBLE]. IT'S PERFECT [INAUDIBLE]. >> THANK YOU. MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> NO QUESTIONS. >> THANK YOU. EXCELLENT. THANK YOU FOR THE UPDATE. >> THANK YOU. >> WE HAVE ONE MORE ITEM [INAUDIBLE]. >> I DO HAVE A QUESTION. THIS IS THE RETROFITTING. WE'RE JUST DOING THE EXISTING LIGHTS THAT ARE NOT CURRENTLY LEDS. >> THAT IS CORRECT MAYOR. FOR THEIR POST [INAUDIBLE] CONVERSIONS, THAT'S JUST A RETROFIT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION BECAUSE WHEN WE LOOKED AT LIGHTING, WE LOOKED AT SEVERAL AREAS THAT ARE DARK AND THAT THEY HAVE EXISTING PG&E POLES ON THEM WHERE LIGHT COULD BE ADDED. ARE WE DOING ANY WORK ON THAT? [00:45:02] >> SIR, THERE'S AN EXISTING POLE THERE WITH NO LIGHT ON IT? >> I BELIEVE SO. WE HAD TALKED ABOUT THAT. YES. >> I WILL LOOK INTO THAT. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. >> WE CAN CERTAINLY. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> THERE EXISTING ELECTRICAL POLES WHERE WIRES ARE ATTACHED TO WHERE A LIGHT CAN BE ADDED. I THINK THAT THE COST TO US IS MINIMAL. I REMEMBER THE COST WOULD BE $6 A MONTH OR SOMETHING TO THAT EFFECT. IT WOULD ENHANCE THE VISIBILITY IN THOSE AREAS. THERE'S A LOT OF AREAS LIKE THAT, AND I KNOW THAT WE WERE LOOKING AT THOSE PREVIOUSLY, SO THERE SHOULD BE SOME PLAN TO INSTALL THOSE AS WELL, SEE IF HE COULD [OVERLAPPING]. >> I'LL DEFINITELY LOOK INTO THAT. I'LL HAVE SOME INFORMATION FOR YOU. >> MR. PEREZ REMINDED ME THAT WE DID HAVE A MEETING WITH PG&E AND THIS ISSUE WAS BROUGHT UP AND THEY WERE WORKING ON RESEARCH INTERNALLY TO SEE IF THERE'S A PROGRAM THAT EXACTLY THAT COULD GET DONE. NOT ONLY ADDING TO EXISTING POLLS, BUT WHERE THERE ARE OBVIOUS LIGHTING PROBLEMS, WHERE THERE MAY BE AREN'T POLES AND EXPANDING ONE OF THESE PROGRAMS TO ADD SOME ADDITIONAL POLES. BUT ADDING TO EXISTING POLLS IS A MUCH LOWER BARRIER. >> I AGREE, AND IT HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE, AND I KNOW THAT OUR STAFF IS LOOKING INTO WHERE THOSE POLES WERE LOCATED SO THAT WE COULD, >> WE CAN LIGHT TO IT. >> ADD A LIGHT. THANK YOU, MR. VILLA. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE >> THANK YOU. >> MR. MAYOR. >> YES. >> FOR THE [INAUDIBLE] >> I DO NOT HAVE THAT FOR YOU. SORRY. I WILL GET THAT FOR YOU. DEFINITELY. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH. [INAUDIBLE] >> YES. >> THAT INFORMATION MIGHT BE UNDER OUR CIP. >> IT IS. I JUST DIDN'T BRING IT WITH ME. >> BUT BECAUSE I MOVED ALL MY STUFF AROUND, I DON'T KNOW WHERE IT WOULD BE. [LAUGHTER] I WON'T LOOK FOR IT. ALL RIGHT, GOOD QUESTION. VACCINATION PROMOTION. >> YES, HONORABLE MAYOR. THIS ONE IS MINE, AND NOT A LOT OF ADDITIONAL INFORMATION HERE, BUT I'LL UPDATE ON THE EVENT THAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN THIS SUNDAY. THEY'RE STARTING TO BE SOME PROMOTION AROUND TOWN WITH SOME FLYERS. WILL BE HELD OVER AT THE COURTHOUSE, I BELIEVE [OVERLAPPING] 11:00-3:00, I DID REMEMBER CORRECTLY. WE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED ON ACQUISITION OF THE GIFT CARDS THAT WERE APPROVED AT THE LAST MEETING. IT'S PROVEN TO BE MORE COMPLICATED THAN YOU COULD EVER IMAGINE. THERE ARE LIMITS ON THE NUMBER OF CARDS THAT YOU CAN BUY AT ONE TIME. PROBABLY TO CONTROL MISUSE OF CASH CARDS. THERE ARE ALSO A SURCHARGE WHICH WE ANTICIPATED ON THE CARDS WHEN YOU BUY THEM OFF OR RETAIL PEG AT A RETAIL STORE, THAT PERCENTAGE IS HIGH. AS HIGH AS 12 PERCENT, WHICH WE PREFER NOT TO BUY TOO MANY AT THAT RANGE. WE'RE LOOKING FOR A BETTER RATE FOR THE PURCHASE OF THE CARDS EITHER DIRECTLY THROUGH A BANKING RELATIONSHIP OR PERHAPS THERE ARE SOME ONLINE FOLKS THAT SELL BULK GIFT CARDS AT A LOWER PERCENTAGE COST. THAT'S PRECEDING, WE HOPE TO HAVE AT LEAST 50 OR PERHAPS MORE CARDS AVAILABLE BY THE TIME THIS WEEKEND'S EVENT ROLLS AROUND. >> THANK YOU, MR. HURLBERT. I DO HAVE SOMETHING TO ADD ABOUT THAT. THE PEOPLE THAT WE WORK WITH, THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE WORK WITH, CORTISOL, AND OTHERS ARE OUT THERE DOING OUTREACH. THEY CONTACTED ME YESTERDAY AS A MATTER OF FACT, WANTING TO KNOW WHETHER WE HAD THE GIFT CARDS READY, EXCUSE ME, THE VISA CARDS TO BE GIVEN OUT. OF COURSE, I KNEW FROM SPEAKING WITH YOU THAT WE DON'T HAVE THEM YET. I HAVEN'T GIVEN THEM THE GREEN LIGHT TO ADVERTISE IT AS SUCH BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WE'RE GOING TO HAVE. HOPEFULLY, WE'LL HAVE 100, WHICH WAS THE GOAL. >> THAT'S THE GOAL. YES. >> HOPEFULLY, WE'LL HAVE 100, SO THAT WE CAN PROMOTE IT AND HAVE A GREAT RESPONSE. THIS CLINIC, AS YOU MENTIONED, MR. HURLBERT, IS GOING TO BE HELD AT THE COURTHOUSE BUILDING BECAUSE OF THE HEAT. [00:50:01] WE WERE HOLDING THEM OUTSIDE THE SAINT JOHN CATHOLIC CHURCH. BUT IT'S JUST TOO HOT TO BE OUT THERE, SO WE'RE GOING TO BE USING THE FACILITY. BUT HOPEFULLY BY TOMORROW WE WILL HAVE A BETTER IDEA AS TO HOW MANY WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO PURCHASE. I CAN TELL THE ORGANIZATIONS THAT, YES, PLEASE GO AHEAD AND PROMOTE THEM. WE WILL BE HAVING THEM FOR EVERYBODY THAT GETS THE VACCINE. THANK YOU, MR. HURLBERT. MOVING ON TO ITEM E, [12) e. Adopt Approval Of A Resolution Authorizing The City Manager or Designee to Appropriate Coronavirus State And Local Fiscal Recovery Funds Under The American Rescue Plan Act of 2021 (ARPA) For Water, Sewer Infrastructure, And One-Time Essential Premium Pay, to Purchase land for the construction of Water Wells and Storage Tanks. (Hurlbert)] ADOPT APPROVAL OF THE RESOLUTION AUTHORIZING THE CITY MANAGER OR DESIGNEE TO APPROPRIATE CORONAVIRUS STATE AND LOCAL FISCAL RECOVERY FUNDS UNDER THE AMERICAN RESCUE PLAN ACT OF 2021, RPA FOR WATER SEWER INFRASTRUCTURE AND ONE-TIME ESSENTIAL PREMIUM PAID TO PURCHASE LAND FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF WATER WELLS IN STORAGE TANKS, MR. HURLBERT? >> YES, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. AS WE REPORTED OR I REPORTED TO COUNSEL AT THE LAST MEETING ALSO, WE DID FINALLY CLOSE ESCROW ON THE TWO WELLS SITES THAT WE HAD BEEN IN THE PROCESS OF PURCHASING FOR THE LAST SEVERAL MONTHS. AS WE ALSO DISCUSSED AT THE BEGINNING OF THAT JOURNEY, THE IDEA WAS TO USE RPA FUNDS EARMARKED FOR THE ACQUISITION OF LAND FOR ADDITIONAL WELL AND TANK SITES AND THAT HAS BEEN ACCOMPLISHED. TO COMPLY WITH THE RPA EXPENDITURE FUNDS AND APPROPRIATION RULES, WE NEED A RESOLUTION BY THE COUNCIL ALLOCATING THOSE FUNDS FOR THIS PURPOSE. THE AMOUNT IS STATED IN THE REPORT HERE NOT TO EXCEED 1.5 MILLION, AND THAT GIVES US A LITTLE BIT OF A CUSHION WITH THE EXPENSES SURROUNDING THE ACTUAL ACQUISITION BEYOND THE CLOSING PRICE WHICH WAS SOMEWHERE JUST OVER 1.3, I BELIEVE, TOTAL FOR THE TWO SITES. IF YOU MIGHT ALSO RECALL, THE SITE IS AT CENTRAL ON MARCELLO, IS THE FIRST ONE ON THE NORTH. THE SECOND SITE IS THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF CENTRAL AND FILBURN. WE IN FACT ACQUIRED 19 ACRES THERE, WHICH WILL ALLOW CITY USES BEYOND THE WILLING TANK SITE ONCE THOSE SITES MATURE. IF THERE ARE ANY QUESTIONS AM HAPPY TO ADDRESS THOSE. >> THANK YOU, MR. HURLBERT. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE, MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS? >> NO EMAIL COMMENTS, MAYOR. >> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS? MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES? >> 1.3 MILLION FOR BOTH PROPERTIES? >> CORRECT. >> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR,. >> MEMBER LYNCH? >> NO COMMENT, SIR. >>MEMBER GARCIA? >> NO COMMENT ASIDE FROM THE [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> NO COMMENTS. >> I'LL SECOND THAT MOTION. MADAM CLERK, IT'S BEEN MOVED AND SECOND. WOULD YOU CALL THE VOTE BY ROLL CALL? >> YES. MAYOR REYNA? >> AYE. >> MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA? >> AYE. >> COUNCILMEMBER LYNCH? >> AYE. >> COUNCIL MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> AYE. >> MOTION BY COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA, SECONDED BY MAYOR REYNA TO ADOPT A RESOLUTION. MOTION IS UNANIMOUSLY APPROVED. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. ITEM F, REPORT REGARDING THE WATER AND WASTEWATER RATES STUDY. MR. VEGA. >> THIS ITEM IS A DUPLICATE OF ITEM I THAT SNUCK THROUGH AND WASN'T RECOGNIZED, SO AFTER THE AGENDA POSTED. I APOLOGIZE FOR THAT. WE SHOULD HAVE POINTED THIS OUT AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING. BUT WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS SKIP OVER ITEM F, FINISH G, AND H AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO I BECAUSE THE POSSIBLE MINUTE ACTION IS IMPORTANT TO THE ITEM. >> VERY GOOD. NOT A PROBLEM. WE MOVE ON TO ITEM G. THIS IS [12) g. Informational only- Update regarding Sanitation Rate Roll-out. (Villa)] AN INFORMATION-ONLY ITEM UPDATE REGARDING SANITATION RATE ROLL-OUT. MR. VEGA. >> HONORABLE MAYOR AND COUNCIL. WANTED TO UPDATE COUNCIL ON THE PROP TO 18 SANITATION SOLUBLE RATES THAT WERE APPROVED ON APRIL 19TH. RATES WERE SET TO TAKE EFFECT JULY 1ST OF THIS YEAR. HOWEVER, DUE TO THE PENDING CONTRACT WITH AMERICAN REFUSE, THE CITY WILL NOT INCREASE THE RATES IN JULY AND THE RATES WILL REMAIN THE SAME UNTIL THE CONTRACT WITH AMERICAN REFUSE CAN BE AGREED UPON AND EXECUTED. ALTHOUGH STAFF HAS WORKED WITH CONSULTANTS AND AMERICAN REFUSE TO HAVE AN AGREEMENT IN PLACE, CITY STAFF WANTS TO ENSURE THE CONTRACT EXECUTED IS TAILORED TO CITY NEEDS AND THE LIKING AS THE AGREEMENT WILL BE FOR SOME TIME. [00:55:04] STAFF HAS A FOLLOW-UP MEETING WITH AMERICAN REFUSE NEXT WEDNESDAY AND HOPES TO SPEED UP THE PROCESS. A NOTIFICATION TO THE RESIDENTS IS PROVIDED INTO THE JUNE BILL. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER. >>THANK YOU, MR. VEGA [OVERLAPPING]. >> I WOULD LIKE TO SEE MR. TOTE. >> I WAS GOING TO WAIT TILL AFTER THE QUESTIONS. IF I CAN GET APPROVAL EARLIER. THESE ARE THE ACTUAL TOTES THAT WOULD BE PURCHASED AND DISTRIBUTE TO ALL THE RESIDENTS. IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. [BACKGROUND] >> IT'S A BUCKET. >> IT'S A BUCKET. YES. [LAUGHTER] >> YES. [LAUGHTER] >> IT'S A BUCKET. >> IT'S A BUCKET. >> I HAD ALREADY SEEN IT. THANK YOU, MR. DEVLIN. >> IT'LL ACTUALLY BE STAMPED WITH THE PRODUCTS YOU CAN [NOISE] PUT IN THERE. IT SHOULD SAY IS EITHER CITY OF WASCO OR THE CITY OF WASCO LOGO ON IT. >> [NOISE] THIS IS DISCRETE. YOUR PLATES AND ALL THAT STUFF INTO IT. [OVERLAPPING] >> YES. >> ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME OF THIS ITEM? I SEE NONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS? >> NO EMAIL COMMENTS AT THIS TIME. >> THANK YOU. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS. MAYOR PRESENT PALLARES? >> NO COMMENTS. THANK YOU. >> MEMBER LYNCH? >> NO COMMENTS. >> MEMBER GARCIA? >> NONE. >> THANK YOU. MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> I JUST HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. I DON'T KNOW WHY IN MY MIND, I ENVISIONED THOSE AS BEING A LITTLE BIT LARGER. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO WHEN KIDS JUST START STEALING THEM AND JUMPING ON THEM AND BREAKING THEM AND NOBODY HAS THEM. >> WELL, ACTUALLY, THEY SHOULD BE IN YOUR HOME TO BE KEPT INSIDE. >> WELL, AREN'T WE TAKING THAT OUT? >> WELL, NO. YOU WOULD TAKE THAT AND DUMP IT INTO YOUR GREEN WASTE. >> [OVERLAPPING] OH, INTO THE GREEN WASTE. I GOT YOU. I THOUGHT WE WERE SUPPOSED TO SET THAT CONTAINER. >> NO. >> NO. JUST TO ADD A LITTLE BIT MORE TOO. WE'RE INVESTIGATING MINORS FOR THESE BECAUSE NOBODY'S GOING TO WANT TO HAVE TO RINSE THIS. THE IDEA IS YES, YOU PUT YOUR TABLE SCRAPS IN THERE, TAKE IT OUT DAILY TO YOUR GREEN WASTES OR NOW WE CALL INORGANICS CAN NOT A GREEN WASTE ONLY AND ADD IT TO IT. THEY ARE STARTING TO MANUFACTURE FULLY COMPOSTABLE LINERS. YOU DON'T WANT TO PUT A PLASTIC MINOR IN YOUR ORGANICS AND THEN POLLUTE THE GREEN WASTE STREAM. YOU HAVE TO USE A FULLY COMPOSTABLE VERSION THAT'S MADE OUT OF CORN STARCH OR SOMETHING ELSE. THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE MAKING THOSE TODAY IS GROWING. THE COSTS ARE HIGH. WE HOPE TO SEE THOSE COMING DOWN, BUT WE'RE LOOKING FOR A SOURCE FOR THOSE FOR OUR RESIDENTS TO BE ABLE TO REFILL THOSE AND MAKE IT MORE CONVENIENT. >> MAKE SURE WE DO A TEST BECAUSE I CAN IMAGINE PEOPLE PULLING IT OUT AND IT HAD FALLEN AT THE BOTTOM. >> YEAH. I THINK SO. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >> ITEM H IS CAUTION AND POSSIBLE MINUTE ACTION REGARDING BUDGET WORKSHOP NUMBER 1, [12) h. Discussion and Possible Minute Action regarding Budget Workshop No.1. (Perez- Hernandez)] MR. PEREZ FERNANDEZ? [NOISE] >> GOOD EVENING, HONORABLE MAYOR AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL. YESTERDAY EVENING'S BUDGET NUMBER ONE OF TWO LENGTHY WORKSHOP THAT WE HAD YESTERDAY, THERE WERE SOME FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS ON THE SURFACE. THIS IS JUST AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESPOND TO SOME OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND ALSO SOME HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT FOR THE COUNCIL FOR TOMORROW. ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT AROSE WAS, WHY IS THE REVENUE IS GOING DOWN FOR THE LLMDS? AFTER FURTHER ANALYSIS, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT THE FORMULA THAT WAS DRIVING THE LLMDS DID NOT CARRY ALL THE WAY THROUGH. THAT'S WHY IT WAS LESS THAN WHAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. THE INCREASE SHOULD BE FOUR PERCENT, WHICH DURING THE CONSENT CALENDAR, IT WAS APPROVED TO DO THAT CPI INCREASE OF FOUR PERCENT SO INSTEAD OF 160, 000, IT WOULD BE A 182, ROUGHLY PLUS OR MINUS. THAT WAS A RESPONSE TO ONE OF THE QUESTIONS THAT AROSE. [01:00:02] THE SECOND QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS, WHAT ARE SOME OF THE DRIVERS THAT ARE CAUSING THE INSURANCE TO FLUCTUATE THROUGHOUT THE FUNDS? AS WE DISCUSSED YESTERDAY, ONE OF THOSE WAS THE EXPERIENCE RATE. THAT EXPERIENCE RATE IS THE AMOUNT OF CLAIMS THAT STAFF SUBMITS TO BLUE SHIELD OR ASI, AND WE DON'T SEE THOSE EFFECTS TILL THE FOLLOWING YEAR. THE AMOUNT OF CLAIMS WAS LESS LAST YEAR. IT'S IMPACTING US IN A POSITIVE WAY. THAT'S ONE OF TWO FOLD. THE SECOND REASON IS THE DEMOGRAPHICS WITHIN OUR WORKFORCE HAS CHANGED, THEN IT SHIFTED, AS WE MENTIONED YESTERDAY A WAVE OF RETIREMENT FROM OUR STAFF AND [NOISE] CHANGE HAS RESULTED TO THAT. THE OTHER QUESTION THAT CAME UP WAS THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES REGARDING SANITATION AND THAT WAS THE CONSULTING SERVICES FROM R3 CONSULTING GROUP. MR. VEGA PROBABLY [INAUDIBLE] BROUGHT UP A FEW MINUTES AGO RELATING TO THE SANITATION RATES THAT WERE APPROVED IN APRIL 19TH OF 2022. LASTLY, WHY WAS THERE, WHAT WAS IT? A BIG DISCREPANCY IN OUR CPI FOR OUR CIPS, CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM. THAT IS THE COLUMN OF THE CARRY FORWARD PROJECTS, MEANING PROJECTS THAT ARE NOT COMPLETED THAT WE NEED TO ROLL FORWARD. THAT COLUMN WAS HIDDEN JUST SO IT ALLOWS US TO ONLY FOCUS ON THE FIVE YEARS SINCE THE CARRY FORWARD PROJECTS ARE MOVING TARGETS. WE WON'T KNOW WHAT THOSE FINAL NUMBERS WILL LOOK LIKE UNTIL AFTER JUNE 30TH WHEN ALL THE INVOICES FOR THOSE PROJECTS COME IN, AT THAT POINT WE'LL COME FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL AND PROVIDE THESE ARE OUR FINAL FIGURES FOR THE CARRY FORWARD. WHEN THE BUDGET IS APPROVED, THOSE COLUMNS WILL POPULATE THIS IS OUR PROJECTION OF WHAT WE ANTICIPATE YOU ROLLING FORWARD FOR THOSE CIP PROJECTS. I DO HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS, BUT I'LL HOLD THOSE OFF UNTIL I RESPOND TO ANY QUESTIONS THAT THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE AT THIS POINT OR THE MAYOR. >> WILL YOU CLARIFY FOR ME. I DIDN'T QUITE GET THE REASON FOR THE PROFESSIONAL SERVICES BEING REDUCED. YOU DID ADDRESS THAT IN YOUR EXPLANATION. COULD YOU REPEAT THAT FOR ME? >> YES. THE QUESTION THAT WAS SURFACED YESTERDAY FOR SANITATION PROFESSIONAL SERVICES WAS WHY WAS THERE ABOUT $25,000 DECREASE? >> IT WAS ONE OF SEVERAL, BUT YES. >> YES, THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE WHICH WAS THE SANITATION RATES. THE OTHER PORTION WAS, DURING THE PANDEMIC, THERE WASN'T A TRUE GAUGE AS TO WHAT THE LEVELS OF STAFF. SORRY. THE CAMERA IS RIGHT IN MY VIEW, IT KEPT MOVING BACK AND FORTH. WHETHER THERE WAS GOING TO BE AN INCREASE OR A DECREASE IN A WORKFORCE BECAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC. WHAT DO WE NEED? TEMP WORK, PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S ENGINEERING, WHETHER IT'S FOR ACCOUNTING SERVICES, WHETHER IT'S FOR BUILDING INSPECTIONS. AS WE'VE SEEN, THE STATE HAS RELAXED ON A LOT OF THOSE MANDATES. WE'VE THEN HIRED ON AND BROUGHT ONBOARD FULL-TIME EMPLOYMENT FOR SOME OF THOSE POSITIONS. THERE IS NO NEED FOR US TO LOCK A LOT OF THAT MONEY WHEN IT CAN BE USED FOR OTHER MEANS. >> THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE. >> IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE MORE PIECE TO THAT. JUST SPECIFICALLY, WHAT ISRAEL MENTIONED WAS FOR THE RATE STUDY, THERE WAS A BLOCK OF WORK THAT WAS DONE FOR TAKING OUR NUMBERS, AND IF YOU RECALL WE WERE SIX YEARS LATE IN UPDATING OUR RATES. THERE WAS QUITE A BIT OF BACKGROUND ON THE HISTORY OF WORK TO DO THERE. THAT WAS ALL DONE THROUGH PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACT, MUCH LIKE WHAT WE WILL SEE IN OUR NEXT AND LAST ITEM TONIGHT FOR THE OTHER RATE STUDIES THAT WE'RE ABOUT TO EMBARK ON. [01:05:02] THAT WORK IS DONE. IT'S ENDED WITH A 218 PROCESS IN THE ADOPTION OF THE NEW RATE SCHEDULE. THAT WORK DOESN'T NEED TO BE DONE AGAIN FOR FIVE YEARS. WE HAVE SIMILAR CYCLES OF WORK THAT ARE DONE BY PROFESSIONAL SERVICES CONTRACTS IN EVERY ENTERPRISE. IT'S NOT SURPRISING TO SEE FLUCTUATIONS FROM YEAR TO YEAR. >> THAT'S FINE. I GUESS, I MENTIONED THAT YESTERDAY WHAT WAS OF INTEREST TO ME IS THAT IT WAS LABELED AS ADJUSTMENTS TO BALANCE THE BUDGET. >> BALANCE. >> THAT MADE ME QUESTION IT. >> YES. >> BUT IT MAKES SENSE, WHEN YOU EXPLAIN IT MAKES SENSE. >> JUST A POINT OF CLARIFICATION, THAT IS A TITLE THAT WILL BE CORRECTED ON JUNE 27TH. >> THE ADOPTED BUDGET? >> WE'LL CORRECT THAT. >> BECAUSE IT'S CONFUSING. >> YES, IT IS. IT'S MISLEADING AND ALLOW ME TO CORRECT IT. BUT I APPRECIATE POINTING THAT OUT BECAUSE WE DO WANT TO BE TRANSPARENT TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL. THE COUNCIL HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS? >> HANG ON FOR [NOISE] A SECOND. >> FOR MR. GARCIA'S BENEFIT AND SEE IF HE HAD ANY QUESTIONS RESULTING FROM THE WORKSHOP LAST NIGHT? >> YES. THAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA. MEMBER GARCIA, DID YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FROM OUR WORKSHOP LAST NIGHT? >> NO. THANK YOU, I APPRECIATE THE [INAUDIBLE] PLEASE PROCEED. >> THANK YOU. >> OKAY. >> [NOISE] YES. GO AHEAD. YOU HAVE TWO MORE ITEMS? >> YES, THERE WAS TWO ITEMS THAT I LEFT TO THE VERY END. ONE OF THOSE ITEMS IS IN RESPONSE TO COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA, REGARDING PROJECT 22014, THE STREET LIGHTING FOR SOUTH GATE. HE INQUIRED ON WHAT IS THE TOTAL COST OF THE PROJECT AND IT'S 740,000, AND THE BREAKDOWN FOR THE CDBG IS 400,000, AND THE APPLICATION WAS SUBMITTED APRIL OF 2022. WE SHOULD BE HEARING BACK THIS SUMMER REGARDING WHAT THE STATUS OF THAT APPLICATION IS. IT IS ITEM ONE [OVERLAPPING] >> CAN I JUST ADD TO IT BECAUSE THE OTHER PORTION, THE 340 IS TDA FUNDING. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> OKAY. >> YES. >> IT'S ONE OF THE ONES THAT I HAD SEPARATED BUT I MOVED THEM OUT OF ORDER. NOW I FOUND IT. >> PAGE 16. >> WELL, MINE IS NOT PAGE 16. ANYWAY, GO AHEAD. >> THE SECOND ITEM EARLIER WE'RE SEEING A LITTLE TOTES FOR RECYCLING. I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT THAT IS THE SOURCE THAT PAID FOR THOSE CONTAINERS IS A GRANT FUNDING, $38,000 THAT STAFF APPLIED FOR. OUR RESIDENTS WOULD NOT HAVE TO HAVE CONTAINERS FOR THEIR ORGANIC WASTE, AND THAT IS JUST FOR GRANT WRITING, AND SUBMITTING THESE APPLICATION AND BEING VERY VIGILANT WHEN IT COMES TO GRANT AND FOR OUR COMMUNITY. I JUST WANTED TO HIGHLIGHT THAT FOR OUR STAFF. >> THANK YOU MR. PEREZ FERNANDEZ, GREAT JOB. [LAUGHTER] WHO KNOWS THAT THAT LITTLE TOAD MIGHT BECOME THE NEXT FASHION ITEM FOR WASCO. [LAUGHTER] >> THERE'LL BE COLLECTIBLE. [OVERLAPPING] [LAUGHTER]. >> ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? SEEING NONE. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS? >> NO EMAIL COMMENTS, MAYOR. >> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS, MEMBER PALLARES? >> NO COMMENT. THANK YOU. >> MEMBER LYNCH? >> JUST THAT GOOD JOB, GUYS. >> MEMBER GARCIA? >> [INAUDIBLE]. >> MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> NO COMMENTS. >> I DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER COMMENTS. THANK YOU. WE DO NEED A MOTION, MEMBERS? >> NO IF THERE WAS GOING TO BE A PROPOSAL FROM COUNCIL TO CHANGE ONE OF THE NUMBERS ON THE BUDGET OR DIRECTION TO STAFF AS A RESULT OF THE UPDATE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE NEEDED AN INTERACTION. >> BUT YESTERDAY YOU ASKED US TO PRIORITIZE. >> THAT WAS YOUR HOMEWORK. YES. >> YES, THAT'S LATER IN THE AGENDA. >> NO, THAT IS NOT LATER IN THE AGENDA. >> BECAUSE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE BUDGET. >> LET ME MAKE SURE THAT CLERK AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE HERE. [01:10:04] >> MR. PEREZ FERNANDEZ YOU'VE SOMETHING TO SAY. >> I APOLOGIZE, THAT WAS THE THIRD HIDDEN ITEM. [LAUGHTER] YES, THERE WAS ONE HOMEWORK ASSIGNMENT WAS FOR THE COUNCIL AND THE MAYOR TO REVIEW THE CURRENT CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROGRAM DOCUMENT THAT WAS PROVIDED AND TO SELECT THE TOP FIVE PROJECTS THAT YOU FEEL STAFF SHOULD FOCUS ON THIS UPCOMING YEAR. WE CAN HAVE THAT DISCUSSION TOMORROW DURING OUR SECOND BUDGET WORKSHOP, AND THEN WE CAN CONSTRUCT AND START PRIORITIZING PROJECTS IN ORDER OF PRIORITY, HIGH, MEDIUM, AND LOW. OBVIOUSLY, WE KNOW THAT CERTAIN PROJECTS WILL MOVE UP OR DOWN BASED ON NEEDS. I WILL STOP AT THAT. >> THANK YOU. I WANTED TO TELL YOU I'M DISAPPOINTED. I THOUGHT WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT IT TODAY. >> OKAY. >> WELL, WE CAN WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW. >> WHAT I WOULD PROPOSE IS, WE DIDN'T ENVISION WORKSHOP IN THAT LIST TONIGHT. >> IT'S FINE. >> BUT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU IF YOU HAVE THAT ALREADY OR IF YOU'RE STILL WORKING ON IT, IS TO JUST SIMPLY TRANSMIT THAT TO MYSELF AND TO MR. PEREZ FERNANDEZ SO THAT WE CAN HAVE THAT INFORMATION READY AT THE WORKSHOP. >> SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IT, WE'RE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT DURING THIS SEGMENT. IS THAT CORRECT? >> YES. >> YOU ASKED FOR SELECT FIVE PROJECTS OUT OF 70 OR SO? >> YES. >> VERY DIFFICULT TO DO? >> YES. >> IT'S A LOT OF GOOD PROJECTS THERE. WHAT I FOUND TO BE USEFUL TO ME WAS TO SELECT PROJECTS IN GROUPS THAT ARE SIMILAR PROJECTS AND THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ASSIGNED FUNDING. RATHER THAN PIE IN THE SKY THING, AND SO I CAME OUT WITH MORE THAN FIVE, BUT SOME OF THEM ARE GROUPED IN PARTICULAR SEGMENTS LIKE WATER PROJECTS, LIGHTING, AND CURB RAMPS, AND IN THAT KIND OF THING WHICH IS INTIMATELY RELATED TO EACH OTHER. MAYBE THAT'S A BETTER SOLUTION FOR YOU THAN JUST SELECTING FIVE PROJECTS BECAUSE I'M CERTAINLY YOUR IDEA IS GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AS MANY PROJECTS AS POSSIBLE. IT'S SUPPOSED TO JUSTIFY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU THINK ABOUT WHAT I'M SAYING, BUT MAYBE GROUPING THEM IN SECTIONS, AND LOOKING AT PARTICULAR WHETHER THE FUNDING IS ALREADY THERE. CAN I JUST GO THROUGH MY LIST QUICKLY HERE, OR WOULD THAT BE INAPPROPRIATE? >> SURE. YOU CAN, BUT I'LL ANSWER YOUR QUESTION FIRST, AND I THINK THAT'S A VERY USEFUL WAY TO SORT THEM, AND I THINK THAT CAN BE COMBINED WITH THE STRUCTURE THAT WE WERE ANTICIPATING, WHICH WAS TO TRY TO ISOLATE DOWN TO THE PROJECTS THAT ARE PRIMARILY OR ENTIRELY FUNDED THROUGH THE GENERAL FUND TO ADDRESS THAT AGGRESSIVE LISTS WHERE IF WE DID ALL 77 PROJECTS AS SCHEDULED IN THIS NEXT COMING YEAR, EVERYTHING THAT WAS SCHEDULED FOR THIS YEAR, THAT WE WOULD BE USING RESERVES FOR THE LAST MILLION AND A HALF OR SO. OBVIOUSLY WE'RE NOT GOING TO GET TO ALL 77 PROJECTS AND SO THAT ISN'T GOING TO HAPPEN, BUT IT HELPS US TO PRIORITIZE. OUT OF 77, WE'RE GOING TO GET 30 OR 40 DONE AND HELP US SIFT WITH THE ONES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST COMMON PRIORITY AMONG ST THE COUNCIL AND THOSE THAT ARE FULLY GRANT-FUNDED, SUCH AS THE HIGH-SPEED RAIL RELATED PROJECTS. THOSE ARE SELF-CONTAINED FOR FUNDING ON THEIR OWN TIMELINE, THEY'D PROBABLY MOVE OFF INTO A SIDE GROUP. THE ONES THAT ARE PART OF THE REVOLVING STATE WATER FUNDING. THOSE ARE SELF-CONTAINED, THAT'S ENTIRELY GRANT-FUNDED. THOSE CAN OPERATE WITHOUT AFFECTING THE BUDGET ACTUALLY AT ALL. WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR THOSE OTHER PROJECTS WHERE WE'RE TRYING TO COMPARE ONE TO ANOTHER, UNTIL WE RUN OUT OF MANPOWER OR WE RUN OUT OF MONEY, WHICHEVER ONE COMES FIRST. [01:15:01] >> WELL, THAT MAKES SENSE BECAUSE I LOOKED AT THE FUNDING SOURCES. THE HIGH-SPEED RAIL, I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT IN MY LIST BECAUSE I KNOW THAT MONEY IS COMING AND WE'RE GOING TO MOVE FORWARD AS SOON AS THEY HAVE THE MONEY TO DO IT. THAT WAS THE WAY I WAS VIEWING IT AND I WAS LOOKING AT THINGS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY STARTED. WE HAVE ALREADY ASSIGNED THE MONEY TO IT. THOSE SHOULD TAKE PRIORITY. I'LL JUST GO THROUGH MY LIST QUICKLY. HISTORIC DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, LANDSCAPE WITH DESIGN AND REHABILITATION. THEN THERE'S QUITE A NUMBER OF ROUTES THAT ARE EITHER GOING TO BE REHABILITATED OR UNDER PAYMENT PRESERVATION. MONEY HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED FOR THEM EITHER THROUGH RSTP GRANTS OR TDA OR MEASURE X. ALL OF THOSE ARE GOOD TO GO. I MENTIONED THE SOUTH GATE NEIGHBORHOOD, BOTH FOR LIGHTING AND ALSO ADA RAMPS. >> CORRECT. >> AS WELL AS STREET MAINTENANCE THERE. THE ONE THAT I LIKED A LOT AND I MENTIONED THE WEBSITE PARK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD PARK AND THE IMPROVEMENTS AT BARKER AND WESTSIDE PARK. THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT CAN BE MOVED FORWARD. ALL WATER INFRASTRUCTURE PROJECTS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THAT FUNDING, THE 25 MILLION, THIS SHOULD BE MOVED FORWARD AS WE SEE THE MONEY. I GUESS I'M THINKING ALONG THE SAME LINES YOU'RE THINKING. ANOTHER ONE THAT I THINK IS CRUCIAL IS TO UPDATE THE MUNI FOR NET FINANCIAL SOFTWARE SYSTEM. ANOTHER IS MORE THAN THAN FIVE BUT THERE'S SO MANY PROJECTS IN CIP. I THINK WE NEED TO TAKE THEM IN BUNCHES. THE NEW DALLA RIDE BUSES AND CHARGING STATION. BECAUSE THEY'RE ELECTRIC, THE NEW ANIMAL SHELTER BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY INVESTED QUITE A BIT OF MONEY. YOU'RE ASKING FOR ANOTHER 500. WE HAVE APPROVED THAT. REPLACING AN AGING SANITATION TRUCK FLEET AND OTHER VEHICLES IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS. BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE THE CIP SO LARGE TO ME ASKING US FOR FIVE PROJECTS TO MOVE FORWARD SEEMED I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DESCRIBE IT. I JUST COULDN'T FIT THOSE PROJECTS THAT ARE IMPORTANT INTO JUSTIFYING THEM. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> IT DOESN'T. IT POINTS OUT SOME WORK THAT WE NEED TO DO TO FILTER DOWN THAT LIST EVEN MORE IN PREPARATION FOR THE NEXT WORKSHOP, SO THAT THESE DECISIONS ARE EASIER AND MORE OBVIOUS. BECAUSE AS YOU POINTED OUT SOME OF THEM ALSO HAVE TIMERS ON THEM. THEY MUST BE DONE. THE SEVENTH STREET PROJECT MUST BE DONE IN A CERTAIN ENVELOPE OF TIME. WE CAN'T ALLOW THAT TO SLIP DOWN THE PRIORITY LIST. >> I ALSO EXCLUDE IT FROM MY LIST ANY PROJECTS THAT DID NOT HAVE ANY FUNDING UNTIL FUTURE FISCAL YEARS. THERE'S NOT EVEN A NEED. I KNOW THEY NEED TO BE ON THE RADAR BUT FOR US TO DISCUSS IT, IT'S REALLY PREMATURE BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY FUNDING FOR US. >> THAT LISTS I BELIEVE WAS ON THE SLIDE FROM LAST NIGHT'S WORKSHOP THAT IS LIMITED TO THOSE THAT ACTUALLY DO HAVE FUNDING FOR '22, '23 FISCAL YEAR. >> ANYWAY THAT WAS MY PROCESS. I THINK IF IT WORKED FOR ME, IT SEEMS LIKE IT WORKS FOR YOU AS WELL. THANK YOU. >> WE'LL DISCUSS IT FURTHER TOMORROW. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. ITEM I, [12) i. Report and Possible minute action regarding the introductory presentation of water and wastewater rate study. (Villa)] THIS IS THE ONE THAT WAS RELATED TO THAT. >> YES. >> I WILL REPEAT. >> THIS IS REPORT IMPOSSIBLE MINUTE ACTION REGARDING THE INTRODUCTORY PRESENTATION OF WATER AND WASTE WATER RATES STUDY. MR. VILLA. >> HONORABLE MAYOR, COUNCIL AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO INTRODUCE OUR CONSULTANT, ALLISON WITH LTE CONSULTANTS TO DO THE PRESENTATION. >> TONIGHT I HAVE AN INTRODUCTORY PRESENTATION. I KNOW THIS IS A NEW ITEM. I'M GOING TO GIVE A BACKGROUND OF YOUR CURRENT WATER AND SEWER RATE STRUCTURE. SOME POTENTIAL CHANGES, SOME COST ADJUSTMENTS. IT REALLY IS A WORKSHOP FORMAT. THESE ARE MY INITIAL SUGGESTIONS. I HAVE THREE SCENARIOS FOR WATER AND TWO FOR SEWER. THE GOAL OF TONIGHT IS TO GET YOUR INITIAL FEEDBACK. [01:20:03] DO THE OPTIONS, MEET YOUR NEEDS AND IF YOU SELECT AN OPTION FOR WATER AND SELECT AN OPTION FOR SEWER, THEN I'LL COME BACK WITH A FINAL REPORT. CITY COUNCIL CAN THEN CONSIDER GOING OUT WITH THE PROPOSITION TO 18 PUBLIC APPROVAL PROCESS. I'LL GIVE THE PRESENTATION AND I'M VERY OPEN TO SUGGESTIONS, QUESTIONS, COMMENTS. IT'S REALLY TO SHARE THE INITIAL FINDINGS. [LAUGHTER] IS THERE A SPECIFIC? [OVERLAPPING] I'LL TRY THIS AGAIN. NEXT SLIDE PLEASE. THE WATER AND SEWER RATES HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED AND SOMETIME THE SEWER RATES, YOU CAN JUST LOAD THAT. THANK YOU. I LOVED THE WHOLE SIDE. SEWER RATES HAVE NOT BEEN UPDATED SINCE 2007. WE'RE LOOKING AT 15 YEARS OF HOLDING THE COST CONSTANT FOR YOUR RATE PAYERS. IF YOU THINK ABOUT INFLATION, ALL THE DIFFERENT COSTS THAT HAVE GONE UP OVER THAT PERIOD, YOU PROVIDED A GREAT VALUE TO YOUR RESIDENTS FOR KEEPING THAT COST THE SAME FOR ALL THAT TIME. THEN WATER RATES HAVE NOT BEEN ADJUSTED SINCE 2017, ABOUT FIVE YEARS OF NO RATE CHANGES ON THE WATER SIDE AS WELL. AGAIN, SAME STORY, I THINK OF ALL THE OTHER COSTS THAT HAVE INCREASED STAFFING COSTS, ELECTRICITY, CHEMICALS. BUT THE CITY HAS BEEN ABLE TO HOLD THAT COST CONSTANT FOR ALL THIS TIME FOR YOUR RESIDENTS. THE WATER AND SEWER FUNDS ARE ENTERPRISE FUNDS, SAME AS SANITATION, WHERE THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO BE FULLY SELF-SUPPORTED BY RATES. THE RATE SHOULD COVER ALL THE OPERATING CAPITAL COSTS. THOSE ENTERPRISES SHOULD NOT BE DRAWING FROM THE GENERAL FUND OR ANY OUTSIDE SOURCES AND THEY ARE NOT. THAT'S GREAT. EVERYONE WANT TO KEEP THE RATES COMMENSURATE WITH THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICE. SURE. WE'RE WORKING NOW. EXCELLENT. THIS RATE STUDY IS INTENDED TO COVER A FIVE YEAR PERIOD. THAT'S THE MAXIMUM TIMELINE ALLOWED BY PROPOSITION 218. THE IDEA IS YOU APPROVED ONE PACKAGE OF RATES IN EACH YEAR. YOU WOULD REVIEW THE RATES DURING THE BUDGET PROCESS AND SEE IF THE PREVIOUSLY APPROVED RATES ARE STILL RECOVERING THE COST OF SERVICE. THEN YOU CAN READOPT WITH THE BUDGET PROCESS EACH YEAR. THE FIRST RATE CHANGES PROPOSED FOR OCTOBER AND THEN FOLLOWED BY JULY 1ST EACH YEAR FOR THE FOLLOWING FOUR YEARS. RATE ADJUSTMENTS AS I MENTIONED, ARE GOVERNED BY PROPOSITION 218. THAT'S THE SAME PROCESS AS THE RECENT SOLID WASTE AND SANITATION RATE ADJUSTMENT. THE IDEA IS THAT THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING PROCESS. I DO A RATE STUDY DEMONSTRATING THE COST OF SERVICE. THEN CITY COUNCIL HAS THE OPTION TO PICK A RATE PLAN AND THEN A NOTICE IS MAILED TO ALL RATE PAYERS IN THE CITY AND THEY HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROTEST THE RIGHT PLAN. IF MORE THAN 50 PERCENT OF THE RATE PAYERS PROTEST, CITY COUNCIL CANNOT ADOPT THE RATES. THIS CHART SHOWS YOUR CURRENT WATER RATES SCHEDULE. YOU HAVE A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES, RESIDENTIAL, COMMERCIAL. THERE'S A MINIMUM SERVICE FEE WHICH INCLUDES QUITE A LOT OF WATER IN THAT BASE FEE. IT'S ONLY ONCE CUSTOMERS USE ABOVE THAT AMOUNT OF WATER DO THEY START GETTING CHARGED PER EVERY UNIT OF WATER. WE'LL FOCUS ON RESIDENTIAL, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL PAYS 2,860 PER MONTH, BUT YOU GET 2,500 CUBIC FEET OF WATER. THEN ANY CUSTOMERS THAT MAYBE DURING THE SUMMER, ESPECIALLY USE OVER THAT AMOUNT WOULD PAY PER UNIT OF WATER ABOVE THAT. BUT RESIDENTS MAY BE THAT ONLY USE 1500 UNITS OF WATER. THEY STILL PAY THE SAME, THE 2,860. MAYBE THERE'S A SINGLE OCCUPANT HOME THAT REALLY USES VERY MINIMAL WATER. THEY PAY THE SAME AS RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER USING 2,500 UNITS OF WATER. THIS REALLY ISN'T ALIGNED WITH CONSERVATION PRINCIPLES. THIS IS AN OLDER TYPE OF RATE STRUCTURE. REALLY WE WANT TO GET TO A MORE VOLUME-BASED RATE STRUCTURE WHERE PEOPLE ARE CHARGED MORE COMMENSURATE WITH THEIR ACTUAL WATER USE. I LOOKED BACK THROUGH THE PRIOR RATE ADJUSTMENT AND WHY RATES WERE SET THIS WAY. THE IDEA WAS THAT BASE ALLOTMENT WAS INTENDED TO RECOVER 75 PERCENT OF USAGE. [01:25:06] THE PROBLEM IS IT RECOVERS 90 PERCENT OF USAGE. VERY FEW CUSTOMERS ARE USING ABOVE THAT BASE ALLOTMENT. VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE USE THAT 2,500 UNITS OR LESS. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT, THAT VOLUME RATE, THE $4.03, WAS REALLY HEAVILY LOADED WITH COSTS. THAT VOLUME RATE WAS INTENDED TO RECOVER A LOT OF MONEY FOR THE CITY. WE'RE FINDING THAT IT'S NOT DOING THAT FOR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS ESPECIALLY. [NOISE] THIS CHART JUST EXPLAINS THE TYPICAL WATER USAGE PATTERNS FOR THE AVERAGE SINGLE-FAMILY CUSTOMER. THE ORANGE LINE IS THE 2,500 UNITS. THAT'S THE AMOUNT INCLUDED IN THAT BASE FEE. YOU CAN SEE THE TYPICAL OR AVERAGE CUSTOMER NEVER EVEN EXCEEDS THE BASE VOLUME. EVEN IN THE SUMMER, WE'RE LOOKING AT LIKE AUGUST, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER, THOSE HIGH WATER USAGE MONTHS. THE TYPICAL CUSTOMER USES 20 UNITS, 21 UNITS, 22 UNITS, AND NEVER EVEN GETS OVER THAT BASE ALLOTMENT. THOSE ARE SOME INITIAL CONCEPTS REGARDING THE RATE STRUCTURE, AND THEN I ALSO LOOKED AT THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICE, SO HOW IS THE WATER FUND DOING FINANCIALLY AND THE ANSWER IS EXCELLENT. SOMETIMES I DO THESE RATE STUDIES AND I COME INTO A CITY AND THE WATER FUNDS IN A DEFICIT AND IT LOOKS REAL BAD. THAT IS NOT THE CASE HERE. YOUR WATER FUND IS VERY STRONG FINANCIALLY, SO THAT'S GREAT. YOU HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CASH RESERVES AND YOU ALSO HAVE YOUR STATE REVOLVING FUND GRANTS COMING IN TO COVER WELL REPLACEMENTS AND TCP TREATMENT SO THAT'S EXCELLENT. YOU HAVE POSITIVE NET REVENUES. I HAVE THE NUMBERS HERE. THERE WAS ABOUT 3.3 MILLION IN REVENUE ANNUALLY COMPARED TO ABOUT 3.1 MILLION IN OPERATING COSTS SO A DECENT NET POSITIVE REVENUE. THEN NO EXISTING OR PLANNED DEBT AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE HAVE THE STATE REVOLVING FUND GRANTS COMING IN TO COVER A LOT OF YOUR CAPITAL IMPROVEMENTS. IN A LOT OF OTHER COMMUNITIES, RATE INCREASES ARE NEEDED TO COVER DEBT. BUT THAT IS, AGAIN, THAT'S NOT THE CASE HERE. I DO RECOMMEND VERY, VERY SLIGHT REVENUE ADJUSTMENTS JUST TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION THROUGH THE FIVE-YEAR PLAN. NO MAJOR REVENUE INCREASES. WE ARE RECOMMENDING SOME ADJUSTMENTS TO THE RATE STRUCTURE SO SOME CUSTOMERS WILL PAY MORE, SOME WILL PAY LESS. BUT OVERALL, AVERAGE ACROSS EVERYONE IN THE SYSTEM, EVERYONE PAYING RATES THERE'S NOT MUCH OF A REVENUE INCREASE. WHAT I SUGGEST, BECAUSE YOU DO HAVE A LOT OF RESERVES, IS TO PHASE IN THOSE RATE STRUCTURE CHANGES. BECAUSE FOLKS WHO USE A LOT OF WATER POTENTIALLY WOULD HAVE HIGHER BILLS, PEOPLE WHO USE LOW AMOUNTS OF WATER WOULD HAVE LOWER BILLS. BUT WE DON'T WANT RATE SHOCK. WE DON'T WANT EVERYONE TO GET A HIGH SIMILAR BILL, NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THAT BILL IS INCREASING AND YOU DO HAVE THE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO OFFER A MITIGATION PLAN OVER THE FIVE-YEAR RATE STUDY. EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE THIS MITIGATION PLAN, THERE'S STILL ADEQUATE RESERVES FOR EMERGENCIES. OTHER CAPITAL IMPROVEMENT PROJECTS THAT MAY COME UP AND THINGS LIKE THAT. LET'S TALK ABOUT RATE STRUCTURE ADJUSTMENTS. THE THREE SCENARIOS OFFERED TONIGHT REFLECT AN ADJUSTMENT FROM 2500 UNITS OF WATER FOR A SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER DOWN TO 700. IT'S A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT CUT BACK OF THAT THAT FREE WATER ALLOTMENT AND THERE ARE SOME REASONS WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT LEVEL, SO 700 UNITS EQUATES TO ABOUT 51 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY FOR A TYPICAL FAMILY AND THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH WINTER WATER USE, SO IT'S WHEN PEOPLE ARE ONLY USING WATER FOR INDOOR, HEALTH AND SANITATION, SHOWERS, TOILETS, WASHING DISHES, AND EXCLUDES WHAT WE CALL DISCRETIONARY WATER USED FOR OUTDOOR IRRIGATION. THAT IS THE RECOMMENDED STATEWIDE TARGET. ABOUT 52 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY, DOWN TO 50 GALLONS IN A FEW YEARS SO THAT DOES ALIGN WITH STATEWIDE CONSERVATION TARGETS AND GOALS, AND IT DOES ALIGN ALSO WITH ACTUAL WATER USE. WE LOOKED AT THREE YEARS OF WATER USE DATA, AND THE SEVEN UNITS ALIGNS WITH HISTORICALLY LOW WATER USE DURING THE WINTER. [01:30:04] WE COVERED ALL THESE. THE IDEA OF GOING FROM 2500 UNITS TO 700 UNITS ALSO GIVES FOLKS MORE CONTROL OVER THEIR BILLS SO THOSE LITTLE WATER USERS WOULD SEE A BILL REDUCTION AND THEN HIGHER WATER USERS WOULD PAY MORE, BUT IT REFLECTS THE AMOUNT THAT THEY ACTUALLY USE. >> MAY I ASK A QUESTION? >> YES. >> THAT IS A HUGE REDUCTION FROM 2500 CUBIC FEET TO 700. THAT'S MORE THAN 50 PERCENT. IS HUGE. THE WAY I'M LOOKING AT IT AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, THIS WOULD CAUSE EVERYBODY TO PAY MORE FOR THEIR WATER USAGE. >> NO, AND I'LL GET TO THAT. I HAVE A FEW SLIDES THAT EXPLAIN THAT MOST PEOPLE DURING THE WINTER WOULD GET LOWER BILLS, BUT THEY WOULD PAY MORE IN SPRING, SUMMER, AND FALL. >> A LOT MORE. >> YES. BUT IT'S SOMEWHAT OFFSET BY LOWER BILLS IN THE WINTER, HIGHER BILLS IN THE SUMMER AND LIKE I SAID, THE AVERAGE FAMILY DOES HAVE FOUR PEOPLE SO MAYBE LOW-INCOME SENIORS WHERE THERE'S ONLY TWO PEOPLE IN THE HOME OR THEY'RE NOT USING 2500 UNITS IN THE SUMMER. THEY'RE ONLY USING TEN UNITS IN THE SUMMER. THEIR BILLS WOULD GO DOWN. >> I'M SORRY. I WANT TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU SAID. A FAMILY OF FOUR IS USING TEN UNITS, YOU SAID? >> NO, MAYBE A LOW-INCOME SENIOR COUPLE WHO THEY DON'T HAVE AS LARGE OF A FAMILY, SO THEY'RE NOT USING AS MUCH WATER. LIKE I SAID, LOWER WATER USERS WOULD GET A DECREASE, BUT HIGHER WATER USERS WOULD GET AN INCREASE AND THE AVERAGE PERSON WOULD GET AN INCREASE AS WELL. BUT I HAVE SOME BILL IMPACTS THAT I CAN SHOW YOU LATER IN THE PRESENTATION. >> GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. I DIDN'T MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT THAT'S A LOT. >> I HAVE SOME OPTIONS FOR PHASING IT IN AND WE CAN ALSO DISCUSS POTENTIAL OTHER SCENARIOS IF NONE OF THE THREE MEET CITY COUNCILS NEEDS. THE THREE OPTIONS ARE, THE OPTION 1 IS THE FIRST-YEAR ADJUSTMENTS, SO GOING FROM 2500 UNITS TO 700 UNITS SO THAT'S THE [LAUGHTER] RATE SHOCK SCENARIO YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT? OPTION 2 WOULD BE A THREE-YEAR PHASE-IN. OPTION 2 MORE CLOSELY ALIGNS WITH THE STATEWIDE CONSERVATION TARGET TIMING DOWN TO LIKE 52 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY. THEN OPTION 3 FULLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE FIVE-YEAR PROPOSITION TO 18 HORIZON, SO GOING FROM 2500 TO 700, BUT PHASING IT IN EACH YEAR, OVER FIVE YEARS. I JUST WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT ALL THE DIFFERENT CUSTOMER CLASSES ARE PROPOSED TO GET DECREASES IN THEIR WATER ALLOTMENT. I LOOKED AT TYPICAL WINTER HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE [NOISE] RATE PERIODS FOR ALL OF THESE CUSTOMERS TO MAKE IT PROPORTIONAL TO HOW RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WOULD GET A DECREASE IN THEIR ALLOTMENT TO MAKE IT FAIR. I REALIZED THIS CHART HAS A LOT OF NUMBERS, BUT I WANTED ALL THE INFORMATION OUT THERE. UNDER THIS SCENARIO, EVERYONE IS GETTING THEIR ALLOTMENT REDUCED BY THE FULL AMOUNT IN YEAR 1, SO ESTIMATED TO GO INTO EFFECT OCTOBER 1ST. AS YOU CAN SEE THAT THE BASE FEE GOES DOWN, AND THEN THE VOLUME RATE ALSO GOES DOWN SO THE BASE FEE IS DECREASING FOR SINGLE-FAMILY FROM 20 DOLLARS 60 CENTS TO 24 DOLLARS SIX CENTS. ALTHOUGH YOU GET MUCH LESS WATER IN THAT BASE FEE AND THEN THE CITY WOULD COLLECT A LOT MORE REVENUE FROM THE VOLUME RATE, AND THAT'S DECREASING FROM FOUR DOLLARS TO ABOUT TWO DOLLARS. BUT YOU'RE SHIFTING THAT REVENUE, YOU'RE COLLECTING MORE ON THE VOLUME RATE, PEOPLE ARE PAYING MORE FOR HIGHER LEVELS OF USE. THEN THE ONE BENEFIT FOR OPTION 1 IS THAT IN THE SUBSEQUENT YEARS, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE, IT WOULD JUST BE A VERY MINIMAL INFLATIONARY COST INCREASE. >> OF COURSE, THAT ASSUMES THAT THERE'S REMAINING AT 700. >> YES, THAT'S CORRECT. >> THAT'S NOT GOING TO BE THE CASE. >> LET ME SHOW YOU THE BILL IMPACTS AND THEN WE HAVE SOME OTHER OPTIONS TO LOOK AT. THIS IS THE TYPICAL SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER BILLS AND SO WE ARE ASSUMING THAT BASED ON TYPICAL WATER USED FROM LAST YEAR, SO THAT'S WHY IT SAYS OCTOBER, IS BASED ON LAST YEAR'S TYPICAL WATER USE, THROUGH JUNE SO IT ILLUSTRATES YEARS OR MONTHS OF THE YEAR WHERE THE BILL FOR [01:35:03] AVERAGE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER WOULD INCREASE VERSUS DECREASE. DURING FEBRUARY AND MARCH, SO THAT TYPICAL LOW WATER USAGE PERIOD, THE BILLS WOULD GO DOWN, BUT THEN ALL THE OTHER BILLING PERIODS, THE BILL WOULD INCREASE. IT JUST ILLUSTRATES THE RATE FLUCTUATION FOR THAT AVERAGE TYPICAL CUSTOMER. THEN THE ORANGE LINE IS THE CURRENT BILL. EVEN IN THIS VERY DRAMATIC OPTION 1, THERE IS A REDUCTION DURING THE WINTER PERIOD, BUT THEN THERE'S A VERY HIGH INCREASE FOR THE SUMMER PERIODS. OVER THIS FIRST RATE PERIODS, SO THE FIRST RATE INCREASE IS PROPOSED FOR OCTOBER THROUGH JUNE, IT WOULD BE ABOUT A 70 DOLLAR INCREASE COMPARED TO THE CURRENT RATES. THEN, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS YEAR 2,3,4 AND THEN 5, IT'D BE THE TWO-AND-A-HALF PERCENT RATE INCREASE, BUT I ALSO WANTED TO ILLUSTRATE THAT THIS FIRST YEAR BECAUSE IT STARTS IN OCTOBER, YOU'RE MISSING THE HIGH WATER USE IN JULY, AUGUST, AND SEPTEMBER. THAT'S WHY THERE'S A BIG JUMP IN THE AVERAGE COST FOR THE SINGLE-FAMILY CUSTOMER IN THOSE FUTURE YEARS BECAUSE THOSE FUTURE YEARS ARE INCLUDING THAT HIGH WATER USE THAT WE'RE MISSING BY ADOPTING AN OCTOBER 1ST RATE INCREASE. WHAT I'VE ILLUSTRATED IS THE COST BASED ON CURRENT RATES. AGAIN IN ORANGE, AND THEN THE AVERAGE COST FOR A TYPICAL SINGLE-FAMILY CUSTOMER IN BLUE. THERE IS A BIG GAP THERE. CUSTOMERS ARE PROPOSED TO PAY A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT MORE. AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO DISCUSS THIS CONCEPT OF, YOU MIGHT SAY, HEY ALICE AND I THOUGHT YOU JUST SAID OUR WATER FUND DOESN'T NEED A BIG RATE INCREASE, BUT YET WE'RE SHOWING HERE IS THE AVERAGE BILL, AND THAT IS BECAUSE OF THAT RATE RESTRUCTURING WHERE SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS RIGHT NOW, MAYBE YOU'RE GETTING A LOT OF FREE WATER UNDER THAT 2,500 UNITS ALLOTMENT, AND THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING MAYBE MORE THAN THEY SHOULD, BASED ON ACTUAL USAGE PATTERNS CURRENTLY. THAT IS THE VERY DRAMATIC ONE-YEAR RATE ADJUSTMENT. LET ME GIVE YOU A FEW OTHER OPTIONS. OPTION TWO IS A THREE-YEAR PHASE-IN. THE PROPOSAL WOULD BE TO GO FROM 2,500 UNITS TO 1,500 UNITS IN OCTOBER. THEN THE FOLLOWING YEAR WOULD BE A 1,000 UNITS AND THEN 700 UNITS OF WATER, AND THEN YEAR 4 WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE FIRST OPTION AND THEN YOUR 5 WOULD BE THE SAME AS THE FIRST OPTION, THE TWO-AND-A-HALF PERCENT. IT'S THE SAME STRUCTURE WHERE THE BASE FEE IS DECREASING. THEN THE VOLUME RATE ALSO INITIALLY DECREASES AND THEN CREEPS UP OVER TIME. >> I HAVE A QUESTION FOR YOU. YOU MENTIONED TWO-AND-A-HALF PERCENT, BUT WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OVERALL ON THE PREVIOUS CHART WHERE YOU SHOW SOMEONE PAYING $533.98 FOR THE FIRST 1,2,3,4,5 MONTHS, WHAT IS THE PERCENTAGE OF INCREASE? >> LET ME PULL UP MY CALCULATOR. >> OF COURSE. >>OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING FROM 33. >> THOSE ARE YEARS, NOT MONTHS. >> I SEE 23,24,25,26 [OVERLAPPING]. >> THE ANNUAL COST, SO DIVIDED BY 343. IT'S 56% INCREASE, BUT COMPOUNDED OVER THE FIVE YEARS. OVER THE FULL FIVE YEARS, IT'S 56% TOTAL. >> THANK YOU. PLEASE PROCEED. >> OKAY. I THINK WE DISCUSSED THE OPTION TO RATE STRUCTURE ADJUSTMENTS. THIS IS THE SAME CHART WE'RE LOOKING AT AVERAGE WATER USE EACH MONTH OF THE YEAR STARTING OCTOBER THROUGH JUNE, THE FISCAL YEAR. IN THIS SCENARIO, YOU GET 1,500 UNITS OF WATER IN THE BASE VOLUME. YOUR BILL ACTUALLY DECREASES AND WE GET A DECREASE IN YOUR TOTAL BILL FROM DECEMBER THROUGH MAY, BUT IN JUNE, ONCE WE START GETTING THOSE HIGHER WATER USE, THE BILL WOULD BE SLIGHTLY INCREASED, AND OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER TEND TO BE A LITTLE DRY AS WELL AND HAVE HIGHER WATER USE, THE BILLS WOULD INCREASE THEN AS WELL. [01:40:02] THE TOTAL RATE WOULD BE ONLY $3.34 MORE THAN THE CURRENT BILL. FOR SIX OF THE NINE MONTHS SHOWN HERE, THE BILL WOULD BE LESS. BECAUSE THIS OPTION IS A PHASE-IN, WE ARE USING A BIT OF YOUR FUND BALANCE TO OFFER THAT RATE MITIGATION PLAN, BUT AGAIN, YOU HAVE $11 MILLION AND WE'RE ONLY USING LESS THAN A MILLION HERE TO OFFER A RATE STABILIZATION OR MITIGATION PLAN. THIS IS THE SAME CHART WHERE IT'S COMPARING CURRENT ANNUAL COSTS TO THE PROPOSED TOTAL ANNUAL COST, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A STEP INTO THE YEAR 3,4 AND 5. THEN YEAR THREE OR OPTION THREE IS THE FULL FIVE-YEAR ADJUSTMENT. WE CAN FOCUS ON THAT TOP COLUMN. THE IDEA IS TO GO FROM 2,500 UNITS OF WATER TO 2,100 UNITS, 1,700 UNITS,1,300, 1,000 AND 700. EACH YEAR IS A PROGRESSIVE STEP DOWN IN THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF WATER USE. THERE'S ONLY A SLIGHT REDUCTION TO THE BASE FEE BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY A SLIGHT REDUCTION IN THE AMOUNT OF WATER IN THAT BASE FEE. THEN THE VOLUME RATE SLOWLY CREEPS UP OVER TIME. THAT WAS THE CONTINUATION OF THE NON-RESIDENTIAL RATE STRUCTURE. UNDER THIS SCENARIO, EVERYONE PAYS LESS, YOU PAY IT VERY SLIGHTLY LESS. THE CURRENT BILL IS $20.60 AND THE PROPOSED BILLS WOULD BE $20.19, BUT AGAIN, THIS STRUCTURE DOES NOT, BECAUSE WE'RE STARTING IN OCTOBER, WE'RE NOT GETTING JULY, AUGUST, SEPTEMBER HIGH WATER USE. JUST AS A REFRESHER, THIS OPTION, YOU GET 2,100 UNITS AND THE AVERAGE CUSTOMER PAYS LESS DURING ALL NINE MONTHS. IT'S ALMOST $4 LESS THAN CURRENT RATES. IT DOES REDUCE THE FUND BALANCE FOR THE FIRST YEAR AS IT'S PHASE-IN, AND THE IDEA IS THAT IT'S A STEP UP TO THAT FIVE-YEAR RATE. ALL THE RATE OPTIONS GET TO THE SAME PLACE BY THE FIFTH YEAR IT'S JUST HOW BIG OF A STEP INCREASE DOES IT TAKE TO GET THERE EACH TIME. THIS CHART JUST ILLUSTRATES THE AVERAGE ANNUAL COST FOR EACH SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMER UNDER THE THREE RATE OPTIONS COMPARED TO CURRENT BILLS. IT REALLY ILLUSTRATES THIS STEP IN FUNCTION WHERE OPTION ONE, IT'S A BIG, STEEP FIRST-YEAR INCREASE. OPTION TWO, IT TAKES TWO YEARS AND THEN BY THE THIRD YEAR IT'S THE SAME. THEN OPTION THREE, IT'S THE FIVE-YEARS STEP INTO THE FIFTH YEAR RATE. THEN I JUST WANTED TO INCLUDE A CHART TO COMPARE HOW WE'RE GOING TO USE SOME FUNDING FOR RATE MITIGATION AND PHASE-IN. THIS CHART COMPARES THE THREE RATE OPTIONS 1,2,3, AND THERE'S A SLIGHT USE OF FUNDING IN THE FIRST YEAR FOR CAPITAL PROJECTS, AND THEN OPTION THREE SPINS DOWN SOME OF THAT FUND BALANCE FOR THIS RISK MITIGATION PLAN. THAT'S WHY THAT LIGHT BLUE LINE, OPTION THREE IS SPENDING DOWN SOME FUNDING TO OFFER SOME RELIEF, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THE FUND BALANCE UNDER OPTION THREE FOR THE WATER FUND LEVELS OUT, WHICH MEANS IT'S NO LONGER PAYING OUT THE RATE MITIGATION FUNDS, IT'S LEVELED OFF. YOU CAN SEE THE OTHER TWO OPTIONS HAVE A PRETTY STEADY LINE, MEANING THAT THERE'S LESS RATE MITIGATION FUNDS BEING SPENT OUT FROM THE WATER ENTERPRISE. THIS CHART COMPARES THE TYPICAL SINGLE-FAMILY BILL ASSUMING FALL USAGE. WHEN THOSE RATES GO INTO EFFECT IN OCTOBER, THIS IS THE TYPICAL BILL MOST FOLKS WOULD SEE. YOU CAN SEE WASP GOES CURRENT RATE. THE 2,860 IS WAY DOWN ON THE LEFT. IT'S ONE OF THE LOWEST BILLS IN THE REGION, AND THEN THE DIFFERENT FREIGHT OPTIONS BUMP THE COST UP. OPTION ONE BEING THE MOST EXPENSIVE, OPTION TWO, AND THEN OPTION THREE BEING THE CHEAPEST. STILL SOME RATE MITIGATION [01:45:04] IT'S NOT AS EXPENSIVE AS SOME OF THE AGENCIES THAT WE HAVE ON THE RIGHT-HAND SIDE OF THE CHART, [INAUDIBLE], FOR EXAMPLE. THEN WE GET THROUGH OCTOBER, AND THEN WE GET INTO THE WINTER. UNDER THIS SCENARIO, WE'RE ASSUMING WINTER USAGE IS ABOUT 900 UNITS, AND UNDER ALL RATE OPTIONS, THERE'S VERY LITTLE CHANGE ACTUALLY, VERY SLIGHT DECREASE TO THE RATES RELATIVE TO CURRENT. DID I LOSE MY [OVERLAPPING] [NOISE] >> HALF? I BELIEVE THERE IS. >> THEN THIS IS THE ANNUAL AVERAGE WATER USE, WHICH IS 1500 UNITS. SO OPTION 2 AND 3 WOULD BE LESS THAN THE CURRENT RATE ASSUMING THE RATE SCENARIOS WE HAVE AND THEN OPTION 1 WOULD BE A FAIRLY SIGNIFICANT JUMP IN THE BILL. OPTIONS 2, 3 WOULD BE LESS OR COMPARABLE TO THE CURRENT BILL BUT THEN OPTION 1 WOULD BE HIGHER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE CHART. THE NEXT FEW SLIDES ARE RELATED TO SEWER AND I'M WONDERING IF IT'S PRUDENT TO STOP HERE TO TALK ABOUT WATER OR WE CAN DISCUSS WATER AND SEWER ALTOGETHER AT THE END. >> I THINK I TOOK A QUICK BREAK. I DON'T I IF WE WANT - >> A LOT OF INFORMATION. >> BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT ARE PROBABLY OBVIOUS, BUT I THINK THERE WERE THREE STATING ONE IS THIS USAGE PER PERSON PER DAY. THIS IS A STATE-DRIVEN MANDATES THAT ARE COMING DOWN AND THEY WILL AFFECT US, AND THERE WILL BE FIRST CARROTS AND THEN THERE'LL BE STICKS INVOLVED IN THE STATE REACHING THESE GOALS. I THINK THAT THE RATE STRUCTURES THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED TONIGHT, THEY'RE THE EXTREME TERROR THE BAND-AID OFF. VERY SIMILAR TO THE DISCUSSIONS WE HAD ABOUT THE SANITATION RATES. IN THE CASE OF THE WATER, THOUGH, WE HAVE THIS FORTUNATE SITUATION WHERE WE CAN AFFORD WITHOUT PUTTING OUR RESERVES INTO A DANGEROUS POSITION IN HELPING TO SMOOTH THOSE AND STEP THOSE UP, RATHER THAN THE DRASTIC CHANGES THAT WE HAD TO MAKE TO COMPLY WITH THE STATE MANDATES WHERE REFUSE WAS CONCERNED. I THINK STAFF RECOMMENDATION IS TO LOOK SERIOUSLY AT OPTION 2 OR 3 IN THESE SUBSIDIZING, IF YOU WILL, FOR THE FIRST FIVE YEARS TO GET TO THESE RATES. I THINK THEY'LL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR FOLKS TO ADJUST OVER A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. HOW THEY WATER, WHEN THEY WATER, EVEN CHANGE THEIR LANDSCAPING IN A FIVE-YEAR PERIOD. WHEREAS IF WE DID IT ALL AT ONCE, IT'S JUST GOING TO BE SHOCKED AND YOU'LL SEE YARDS JUST DYING INSTEAD OF PEOPLE HAVING THE TIME TO ADAPT AND GO TO A DIFFERENT MODEL. I THINK THE BASE AMOUNT NOW PROPERLY RECOGNIZES WHAT THE ABSOLUTE NECESSITY, THE HEALTH AND SAFETY LEVELS OF WATER USAGE INSIDE THE OMAR, AND THEN THERE'S A COST FOR MAINTAINING DIFFERENT LANDSCAPE OR USAGE, OR IF YOU WASH YOUR CAR IN YOUR DRIVEWAY, THEN THEY'LL BE A COST FOR THOSE USES GOING FORWARD. SO PART OF THAT IS JUST A NECESSITY BECAUSE OF THE STATE AND THE ENVIRONMENT. >> I HAVE A QUESTION. PROPOSITION 18, YOU SAID? PROPOSITION 18. >> TWO HUNDRED AND EIGHTEEN. >> IT HAS A DEADLINE FOR IMPLEMENTATION. >> FOR WHICH ONE? >> I'M SORRY, PROPOSITION 218. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATERWAYS AND SHE'S TELLING US. HOW DO YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME? >> LUBITSCH. >> LUBITSCH? >> YES. >> DID I PRONOUNCE IT CORRECTLY? >> YES. >> THANK YOU. SHE'S TELLING US THAT THIS IS A NEEDLE IN JUST A MOMENT AGO, AFTER ALL BEING DRIVEN BY PROPOSITION 218. >> THE PROCESS OF SETTING THE RATES ABSOLUTELY IS DRIVEN BY PROP. 218. >> BUT PROP 218, WHEN IS THE STATE SAYING THAT WE HAVE TO BE FULLY COMPLIANT WITH PROPOSITION 218? >> ACTUALLY IT'S SB 606 AND AB 1668 THAT ARE DRIVING THE USAGE PER PERSON RULES AND THOSE ARE THE - >> I THINK SHE SAID, 52 CUBIC FEET PER PERSON PER DAY? [01:50:01] >> YEAH. >> YEAH. >> THAT'S 2025 IS THE DATE WHERE WE'RE SUPPOSED TO MEET THAT? >> IT'S THE 52.5 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY, SO PER PERSON PER DAY BY 2025. I CAN PLAY. >> IF I CAN FORESEE YOUR NEXT QUESTION IS, WILL THIS FIVE-YEAR PLAN TAKE US OUT PAST 2025? THAT'S A DIFFERENT PROBLEM. CONSERVATION WILL BE A DIFFERENT PROBLEM, BUT I THINK OUR RATE STRUCTURE NEEDS TO RECOGNIZE THAT WE HAVE CERTAIN BASE COSTS AND WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO SURVIVE EVEN IF PEOPLE CONSERVE DOWN BEYOND WHAT THE PROJECTIONS ARE FOR REDUCED WATER USAGE AND WE STILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE AND MAINTAIN THAT. EVEN WITH THE LOWER BASE RATE. >> I'M VERY AWARE THAT WHEN WE LOOKED AT THE RATES, WAS IT FIVE YEARS AGO? >> YEAH. >> FIVE YEARS AGO. >> PRESENTED WITH CHARTS THAT SHOWED WHAT THE MEDIUM USAGE WATTS PER HOUSEHOLD AND WE CHOSE THAT MEDIUM IN ANY ONE ABOVE THAT WOULD PAY MORE THAN ANYONE AT THAT LEVEL OR THE LOWEST PAYING THE SAME AMOUNT, WHICH IS WOULD YOU HAVE EXPLAINED. HE ALSO SAID THAT IT'S PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST GENEROUS AMONG WATER ALLOTMENTS PER HOUSEHOLD. I KNEW THAT THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE DON'T PAY MORE THAN MINIMUM RATE. BUT I AM VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THIS RATE INCREASES BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF LOW-INCOME RESIDENTS. WE ALREADY HIT THEM WITH A RATE INCREASE ON SANITATION AND NOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT INCREASING BY 56 PERCENT OVER FIVE YEARS THE RATE OF WATER AND ALSO WE HAVEN'T TALKED ABOUT SWORE I CAN ONLY IMAGINE HOW MUCH THAT'S GOING TO BE, BUT I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE A GUESS. THAT IS AFFECTING PEOPLE'S LIVES IN A VERY REAL WAY. I AM VERY COGNIZANT OF THAT FACT. I'M CERTAIN THAT THE OTHER MEMBERS ARE AS WELL. WE NEED TO FIND A SOLUTION THAT GETS US TO WHERE WE NEED TO BE WITH THE LEAST AMOUNT OF EFFECT TO THE FINANCES OF OUR RESIDENTS. YOU CAN SEE MY DISPLEASURE. I THINK YOU NOTICE THAT, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THESE RATES, I DIDN'T LIKE IT AT ALL. I'M BEING VERY HONEST. I JUST THINK IT'S OUTRAGEOUS. IN ESSENCE, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING YOU'RE JUST PRESENTING THE INFORMATION TO US. >> THESE WERE THE SCENARIOS WE WERE DIRECTED TO RUN. SO I UNDERSTAND. >> EXACTLY. BUT I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY CONSIDERATE OF THAT. WHAT THAT IS, I'M NOT SURE WHETHER IT IS THE SOLUTION. THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS. YOU'RE PRESENTING THESE OPTIONS 1 2 AND 3. THERE MAY BE OTHER OPTIONS THAT DO NOT AFFECT OUR PEOPLE AS SEVERELY AS THIS DOES AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT THIS OPTION OR OPTIONS ARE, BUT IT WOULD ENTAIL IN MY OPINION. UNLESS THEY OVER RATE INCREASE, WHILE ALSO MAINTAINING A CERTAIN LEVEL OF ROTTED WATER USAGE WHICH IS REASONABLE BECAUSE I CAN TELL YOU THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DO NOT BECAUSE OF THIS HIGH LEVEL OF USAGE THAT WE HAVE DETERMINED TO BE THE MEDIUM, 2500 CUBIC FEET PER HOUSEHOLD, SINGLE HOUSEHOLD. THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT DON'T REALLY CARE HOW MUCH WATER THEY USE. I DO UNDERSTAND THAT WE NEED TO REDUCE WATER USAGE BECAUSE OF CONSERVATION. WATER IS A SCARCE COMMODITY, VERY WEIRD, VERY, VERY SEVERE DROUGHT. SO I DO UNDERSTAND THAT PORTION OF IT. BUT I THINK THAT WE NEED TO BE VERY MINDFUL. AGAIN, I'M REPEATING MYSELF OF THE FACT THAT THIS WILL AFFECT OUR RESIDENTS IN A VERY SEVERE WAY, NOT JUST BY THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT THEY WILL BE ALLOTTED AS A BASELINE, BUT ALSO IN THE AMOUNT OF MONEY THAT THEY WILL PAY FOR ANYTHING ABOVE THAT BASELINE. THAT'S MY CONCERN. I HAVE A VERY BIG CONCERN ABOUT THAT. I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M SEEING. I'LL BE HONEST WITH YOU. [01:55:01] [NOISE] I DO UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE MAINTAIN A WATER FUN, THAT IT IS SELF-SUSTAINABLE. I DON'T LIKE WHAT I'M HEARING DISCOUNT AND I JUST WANT TO BE HONEST. THIS IS NO REFLECTION ON YOU OR ON HER. IT'S JUST WHAT I'M HEARING AND I DON'T LIKE. SO LET'S TAKE A BREAK. DO YOU WANT TO ADD ANYTHING ELSE? >> [INAUDIBLE] WE COULD BUT LET'S TAKE A BREAK. IT'S ALREADY 8:00 O'CLOCK. CAN WE TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND COME BACK? >> MAYBE WE WANT TO WRAP UP IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS ON THE WATER SEGMENT, THEN TAKE OUR BREAK AND THEN JUMP INTO THE SEWER SESSION. >> LET'S DO THAT. >> OKAY, I'LL JUST GO TO VARIOUS MEMBER. MAY HELP WITH THEM PALLARES, THE AMERICANS.. >> IN SUMMARY, OPTION 1, GOING FROM 2,500 TO 700 CUBIC FEET, RATES WILL INCREASE AND REALLY NO ADDITIONAL COSTS FOR THE CITY, CORRECT? >> CORRECT. >> SECOND OPTION, FROM 2,500 DOWN TO 1,500. RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO GET SOMEWHAT OF AN INCREASE CERTAIN MONTHS OF THE YEAR, BUT THE CITY WILL BE PAYING $865,000 OUT OF THE 11 MILLION. >> AS A YES FOR RATE MITIGATION. >> AND OPTION 3 FROM 25, STEPPING DOWN ALL THE WAY TO 700, AND YOU'RE PROBABLY NOT GOING TO SEE A MAJOR CHANGE ON YOUR MONTHLY BILL, BUT IT WILL COST THE CITY $2.4 MILLION >> CORRECT. >> AND THEN THAT WILL LEAVE OUR RESERVE DOWN TO 8.6 MILLION? >> CORRECT. >> OKAY. HARD NUMBERS. >> YOU'RE WELCOME. MEMBER LYNCH. >> I'VE BEEN THROUGH THIS LIMIT OR YOUR BASELINE OF 700 GALLONS CUBIC FEET, WHATEVER YOU WANT TO CALL IT IN THE PAST. AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU CAN LIVE ON 700 GALLONS OF WATER. I KNOW THAT IT'S BEING MANDATED BY DRIVEN BY THE STATE AND EVERYTHING ELSE AND THEY DRIVE, EVERYTHING ELSE. BUT I AGREE WITH THE MIRROR WITH THE FACT THAT HERE WE'RE GETTING REDUCED IN WHAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO HAVE, AND OUR RATE'S GOING TO GO UP. AND WHY ARE WE IN A PAY MORE FOR GETTING LESS? IT DOESN'T WEIGH OUT FOR ME. >> YEAH. AND THE REAL CHALLENGE IS THAT RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS HAVE GOTTEN SUCH A GOOD DEAL. [OVERLAPPING] >> I UNDERSTAND IT AND I DON'T USE ANYWHERE NEAR THE 2,500 WE'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. BUT I KNOW THAT I USE MORE THAN 700. AND I JUST CAN'T FATHOM SAYING MERISA, WE HAVE A LOT OF VERY LOW-INCOME FAMILIES HERE. AND IF THEY'RE NOT LOW-INCOME BECAUSE OF THEIR JOBS, WE'RE GETTING TO BE LOW-INCOME BECAUSE OF OUR RETIREMENT. AND IT'S TOUCHING A LOT OF THOSE. AND I CAN SEE THAT WE NEED TO INCREASE WATER RATES, BUT I DON'T THINK WE NEEDED THAT'S ALMOST GOUGING. WE'RE REDUCING BY MORE THAN TWO-THIRDS THE AMOUNT OR PROPOSED REDUCING BY TWO-THIRDS AND STILL PAYING MORE MONEY. >> THANK YOU, MR. LYNCH. MEMBER GARCIA. >> TO BE PRECISE IS THAT 700 NUMBER? TO GET TO? >> THAT IS THE STATEWIDE TARGET. >> OKAY. SO THAT'S THE DISCUSSION. I JUST WANTED TO SAY IF I COULD GO THROUGH THE MAGICAL LITTLE SLOWER, [02:00:05] YOUR NEXT PRESENTATION OF THIS BROWN I'M VERY HONEST THAT I WILL TALK ON THAT. >> OKAY. >> FROM BASELINING THAT FIVE-YEAR TIME MAKES THE MOST SENSE TO YOU DESERVE. IT WOULD MAKE SENSE THAT WE SUBSIDIZE THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE TO HELP US OUT IN THAT REGARD. BUT IT'S TRUE. WE PUT OURSELVES IN OUR REPAIR THEMSELVES IN THIS SITUATION FIVE YEARS AGO. UNFORTUNATELY. WE HAVE TO RESPECT THAT I WOULD, BUT IT IS NO REASON WHY WE CAN'T DO MORE IT'S YOU TO HELP OUT THE RESIDENTS. LET'S SAY YOU CAN AND [NOISE] THERE'S ROOM. AND I'LL REFER TO THE FINANCE DIRECTOR IN THE CITY MANAGER SAYS TO LET US KNOW IF THERE'S ANY FLEXIBILITY ON THAT REGARD. BUT IT'S TRUE. I AGREE WITH MY COLLEAGUES THAT IT IS A REALLY NICE ACTIVITY TO DISCUSS IN PART A BIT BECAUSE MY HEART RATE'S GOING UP. BUT [LAUGHTER] WONDERING I KNOW IT'S A HARD TIME BUT WE HAVE TO ACHIEVE. BUT ANYTHING WE CAN DO TO HELP OFFSET THE IMPACTS TO THE RESIDENTS. I'M HOPING YOU'RE WILLING TO HAVE A DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU. REMEMBER GARCIA, MEMBER MARTINEZ? >> FIRST OF ALL, LISTEN. THANK YOU FOR YOUR PRESENTATION. [LAUGHTER] I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS BECAUSE I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING. THE 700 CUBIC FEET TARGET GOAL BY THE STATE FOR 2025, WE ANTICIPATE THERE'LL BE SOME MONETARY PENALTIES AGAINST THE CITY IF OUR CITY AS A WHOLE ISN'T IN COMPLIANCE WITH THAT, RIGHT? >> I THINK THAT'S THE [NOISE] PLAN NOW. [OVERLAPPING] >> BUT AS IT STANDS RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NOTHING SAYING WHAT THOSE WOULD BE. WE'RE [OVERLAPPING] JUST PREPARING FOR THE FUTURE. OKAY. YOU SAID THAT REVENUES ARE ALMOST THE SAME AS COST CURRENTLY, RIGHT? >> YES. >> SO I GUESS THAT'S WHERE I'M STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND. I UNDERSTAND THAT WATER CONSERVATION TRYING TO GET THAT NUMBER DOWN. BUT WHAT I DON'T UNDERSTAND IS IF COSTS AND REVENUES ARE ALMOST IDENTICAL, WHY WE'RE DOING A 56% INCREASE IN FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THAT IS INFLATION IS PRETTY BAD RIGHT NOW, BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S GOING TO BE THAT BAD. >> YEAH. THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. AND IT IS THAT COST SHIFTING FROM RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, FROM COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS WHO ARE MAYBE PAYING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE ONTO RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS. I CAN SHOW YOU THAT CHART I HOPE I WILL FIND THAT CHART REAL QUICK. THE PRIOR RATES STUDY ASSUMED THAT RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, WE'RE GOING TO PAY A LOT IN THAT OVERAGE FEE. THE $4.03. THE PRIOR RATE CITY ASSUME A LOT OF REVENUE WOULD BE COMING FROM THAT. AND RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WOULD BE PAYING THEIR BASE FEE PLUS A LOT OF THAT OVERCHARGE. AND THAT OVERCHARGE HAS FALLEN AWAY AND SO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING MORE OF THE SYSTEM, THEN IT'S REALLY THEIR FAIR SHARE ANYMORE. >> OKAY. THE OTHER QUESTION I HAD IS DOWN AT THE BOTTOM OF THESE OPTIONS. IT SAYS VOLUME RATE FOR USE OVER BASS VOLUME. AND IT'S RIGHT AROUND $2 ON MOST OF THESE OPTIONS. >> YES. >> SO LET'S JUST SAY SOMEBODY USED THE 2,000 UNITS THAT ARE TYPICALLY BEING USED. I THINK IT WAS IN THE SUMMER MONTHS HERE AND WE WERE AT THE 700. THAT'D BE $2. BASICALLY IT'LL BE 1,300 TIMES 2. >> YES. [OVERLAPPING] 1300 TIMES 2, IT'S PER 100, CUBIC FEET. >> PER 100. IT'D BE $26 OVER HV THAT'S 2,600. OKAY. >> YES. >> THAT WAS WHAT SCARED ME. I WAS DOING THE MATH WRONG. OKAY. THAT ANSWERS ALL MY QUESTIONS. >> YEAH. JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING THAT YOU BROUGHT UP, WHICH IS INTERESTING AND SHE MENTIONED IS THAT WE'RE RECOVERING 90% OF THE COST OF PROVIDING SERVICES. IT'S ALMOST A 100% RIGHT NOW. BUT I THINK WHAT IS DRIVING THIS CHANGE IS AGAIN, PROPOSITION TO 18. IN THE NEED TO GET TO THAT BASELINE OF 52.2. >> THE 218 IS THE PROCESS TO SET THE RATES. IT'S SP 606 AND AB 668 THAT ARE DEFINED AS 52 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY. THE 218 PROCESS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. >> OKAY. VERY GOOD. WHETHER THAT'S REALISTIC OR NOT, WE HEARD FROM MEMBER LYNCH. >> RIGHT. >> IT'S CERTAIN THAT HE USES A LOT MORE THAN THAT MORE BUT MORE THAN 700 CUBIC FEET. SO LET'S TAKE A BREAK. OKAY. EVERYBODY HAS ASKED HER QUESTIONS. LET'S TAKE A FIVE-MINUTE BREAK AND THEN SHALL WE INVITE THE PUBLIC TO [02:05:02] PERHAPS COMMENT ON WHAT THEY'RE HEARING AT THIS POINT? [OVERLAPPING]. >> THERE WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. >> AT THE END? >> YEAH. AFTER THE PRESENTATION LIKE A NORMAL ITEM, YES. >> OKAY. AFTER BOTH THE SEWER AND WATER. >> OKAY. >> THE WATER AND THE SEWER IN THAT ORDER, RIGHT. FIVE-MINUTE BREAK. [NOISE] >> OUR BREAK IS OVER. LET'S GO AHEAD AND CONTINUE. IF EVERYBODY CAN FIND THEIR SEATS. >> ALONG THE BARBED WIRE FENCE IS NOT ALSO READ ABOUT [INAUDIBLE]. >> THANK YOU THOUGH. >> ALEX SAYS HE WANT TO TALK. >> THANK YOU ALL. THAT WAS A LONG FIVE MINUTES. WE'RE BACK FROM BREAK. I'M CALLING THIS MEETING BACK TO ORDER. I HAD A QUESTION. THIS IS LIQUIDS. >> YES. >> THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED THAT THE BUSINESSES, COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ARE PAYING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE. NOW WHEN WE SET UP THESE RATES FIVE YEARS AGO, WE LOOKED AT THAT MEDIUM AND WE SAID THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE FALLING WITHIN OR BELOW THE MEDIAN IN ANYBODY ABOVE THAT SHOULD PAY MORE. IF THE ONLY BUSINESSES ARE USING MORE THAN THE 2,500 BASELINE THAT WE SET UP, WHY DO YOU SAY THAT THEY'RE PAYING MORE THAN THEIR FAIR SHARE IF THEY'RE USING MORE WATER, SHOULD THEY BE PAYING MORE? >> I'M GLAD YOU BROUGHT THAT UP. THAT WAS A POINT I WANTED TO CLARIFY. IT'S BECAUSE THAT MINIMUM SERVICE FEE IS PROBABLY ARTIFICIALLY LOW SO THE MINIMUM SERVICE FEE INCLUDES ALL THESE BASE ALLOTMENTS OF WATER, BUT THAT BASE ALLOTMENT OF WATER IS PRICED. I'M TRYING TO REMEMBER FROM THE PRIOR REPORT I DID REVIEW IT'S AROUND A DOLLAR OR $1.25 PER 100 CUBIC FOOT. I CAN BRING THAT BACK NEXT TIME I SPEAK WITH YOU. THAT BASE ALLOTMENT IS PRICED MUCH LOWER THAN THE $4 PER UNIT OF THIS HIGHER USE. THE BASE ALLOTMENT IS ARTIFICIALLY LOW SO AS RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, THEIR WATER USAGE CHANGE FROM THE MEDIAN YOU SAID USED TO BE THE 2,500 IT'S NOW 1,500. RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING A PRETTY HUGE BREAK ON THAT MINIMUM SERVICE FEE COMPARED TO COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS THAT ARE USING MAYBE ABOUT THE SAME AND THEN PAYING THE HIGH OVERAGES FOR THE $4. >> I UNDERSTAND. YOU'RE SAYING THIS 403 FEE OVER THE BASE ALLOTMENT. WE SAID THAT OURSELVES. I DON'T REMEMBER THAT PORTION OF IT, BUT THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. >> WE HAVE THE STUDY, I CAN BRING SOME COMMENTARY BACK ABOUT IT. >> THAT'S FINE. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I UNDERSTOOD THAT BECAUSE THE BASE LINE PEOPLE IN BELOW, THEY'RE PAYING AT A DOLLAR FOR A 100 CUBIC. >> IT'S A $1.14. >> THANK YOU. >> A $1.14 PER CUBIC FOOT. >> CUBIC FOOT. ANYONE ABOVE THAT IS PAYING FOR THREE OR 100 CUBIC. THANK YOU. >> PLEASE PROCEED. >> WE CAN TALK ABOUT SEWER. YOU HAVE A FIXED SEWER RATE PROGRAM. EVERYBODY PAYS A CONSISTENT AMOUNT EACH MONTH AND YOU HAVE NOT RAISED YOUR SEWER RATES IN 15 YEARS. AGAIN, THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE VALUE YOU PROVIDED TO THE RATE PAYERS FOR MANY YEARS. YOU HAVE A LOT OF DIFFERENT CATEGORIES FOR SEWER RATES, SINGLE-FAMILY, AND THEN MANY CATEGORIES FOR DIFFERENT TYPES OF COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS, TWO PAGES IN FACT. EVERYBODY PAYS THEIR CHARGE IS THE FIXED CHARGE EACH MONTH. THERE ARE SOME ADVANTAGES OF THIS TYPE OF RATE STRUCTURE. EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO PAY ITS HIGH FIXED REVENUES TO THE CITY, SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT, DROUGHT DOES NOT AFFECT YOUR SEWER RATES. THE ISSUE THOUGH IS THAT BECAUSE THIS WAS ADOPTED SO LONG AGO, THERE'S NOT A DESCRIPTION OF THE UNDERLYING WASTEWATER FLOW ASSUMPTIONS OR POLLUTANT STRENGTH. WASTE WATER COSTS ARE TYPICALLY BASED ON [02:10:03] FLOW SO HOW MUCH YOU'RE ACTUALLY DISCHARGING INTO THE SEWER. THE LAYMAN'S TERMS IS HOW MANY TIMES YOU'RE FLUSHING THE TOILET, VOLUME OF FLOW INTO THE SEWER, BUT ALSO THE CONCENTRATION OF POLLUTANTS THAT THE CITY HAS TO TREAT. BIOLOGICAL OXYGEN DEMAND, BOD AND TSS, TOTAL SUSPENDED SOLIDS. ITS CHEMISTRY, WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INTO IT. BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THINGS LIKE FOOD PREPARATION, FRIARS RELEASE A LOT OF FATS, OILS AND GREASE AND ALL THAT IS COSTLY FOR THE CITY TO TREAT AT THE TREATMENT PLANT. WE'RE TRYING TO FAIRLY RECOVER COSTS FROM CUSTOMERS BASED ON THE AMOUNT OF FLOW AND THE AMOUNT OF POLLUTANTS THEY DISCHARGE INTO THE SEWER SYSTEM. IT IS MY OPINION TO BE COMPLIANT WITH PROPOSITION 218. WE NEED TO HAVE IT DOCUMENTED SOMEWHERE, WHAT OUR ASSUMPTIONS ARE FOR HOW WE'RE CHARGING PEOPLE, HOW TO MAKE IT FAIR, HOW TO DEMONSTRATE THAT WE ARE CHARGING RATES FAIRLY. WE DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE THAT, PROBABLY BECAUSE THIS WAS DONE QUITE A LONG TIME AGO. I ALSO LOOKED AT THE SEWER REVENUES. THE FINANCIAL HEALTH IS STRONG AND THE SEWER FUND AS WELL, YOU HAVE ABOUT 3.5 MILLION OF CASH RESERVES. REVENUES ARE GREATER THAN EXPENSES SO AGAIN, THAT'S A HEALTHY CASH FLOW. YOU HAVE NO EXISTING OR PLANNED DEBT. WE DO RECOMMEND SPENDING A FEW 100,000 ANNUALLY ON SEWER LINE REPLACEMENTS. JUST TO KEEP THE SYSTEM UP AND RUNNING EFFICIENTLY. THEN AGAIN, A MINOR ANNUAL INCREASE TO KEEP UP WITH INFLATION. WE DID LOOK AT SOME DIFFERENT OPTIONS WITH STAFF INTERNALLY. THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO CHARGE FOR SEWER. YOU CAN LOOK AT THE METER WATER USE FOR EACH FAMILY. AND SAY WE ESTIMATE YOU DISCHARGE THIS MUCH INTO THE SEWER BASED ON METER WATER USE BUT THEN YOU THINK, BUT IF PEOPLE ARE IRRIGATING OUTSIDE, MAYBE SOME AMOUNT OF THAT WATER DOESN'T MAKE IT INTO THE SEWER SO IS THAT REALLY FAIR? BUT THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR FUTURE TERMS WHEN YOU HAVE A MORE COMPLEX BILLING SYSTEM. THOSE TYPES OF STRUCTURES ARE A LITTLE BIT HARDER TO EXPLAIN TO FOLKS. THEY'RE MORE COMPLICATED TO BILL WOULD ADMINISTER SO WE DECIDED NOT TO FURTHER PURSUE THESE ALTERNATE TYPES OF RATE STRUCTURES. WE'RE RECOMMENDING THAT YOU KEEP YOUR CURRENT RATE STRUCTURE AND WE'RE JUST GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT UNDERLYING FLOW AND POLLUTANT LOADING IS FULLY DOCUMENTED AND ADJUSTED OR EXPLAIN TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. WE DO HAVE SOME OPTIONS. OPTION 1 WOULD BE RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS ARE CHARGED THE SAME AMOUNT. THAT IS YOUR CURRENT STRUCTURE. SINGLE-FAMILY, RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, AND APARTMENTS ARE CHARGED THE SAME RATE PER DWELLING IN IT, A DUPLEX WOULD BE CHARGED TWO TIMES THE RESIDENTIAL RATE OR A FOUR PLEX WOULD BE FOUR TIMES. STAFF POINTED OUT TO US THAT IT'S LIKELY THAT MULTIFAMILY CUSTOMERS, SO THOSE APARTMENT CUSTOMERS ARE PROBABLY DISCHARGING LESS INTO THE SEWER AND MAYBE THEY SHOULD BE PAYING LESS THAN THEY'RE CURRENTLY PAYING NOW THAT THEY'RE NOT EQUIVALENT TO A SINGLE-FAMILY CUSTOMER, THAT THEY USE THE SYSTEM LESS THAN THEY SHOULD PAY LESS. I LOOKED INTO THAT. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN OPTION 1 AND 2. I DID SOME ANALYSIS AND WHAT I RECOMMEND IF WE DO PURSUE A MULTIFAMILY RATE STRUCTURE WOULD BE A LOW DENSITY MULTIFAMILY CATEGORY SO UP TO FOUR DWELLING UNITS. DUPLEXES, TRY PLEXUS, AND I'VE HEARD IT CALLED QUADRUPLEXES FOUR UNITS TENDED TO DISCHARGED MORE INTO THE SEWER THAN VERY HIGH DENSITY MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES. I RAN THE NUMBERS. I LOOKED AT WINTER WATER USE WHICH AGAIN IS A GOOD PROXIMATE FOR SEWER FLOW BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT USING AS MUCH WATER FOR OUTDOOR IRRIGATION. WE'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT DURING THE WINTER MOST WATER RUN THROUGH THE HOUSE ENDS UP INTO THE SEWER. I CAN USE THAT AS AN ESTIMATE FOR SEWER FLOW, AND SO WE WERE ABLE TO DEMONSTRATE THAT SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS DISCHARGE A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE SEWER AND THOSE MULTIFAMILY CUSTOMERS DISCHARGED LESS. THAT WOULD BE THE BASIS FOR ASSIGNING SEWER RATES. THEN THE AVERAGE IS ABOUT THAT 700 CUBIC FEET PER MONTH, WHICH WE'RE USING FOR THE POTENTIAL ALLOTMENT OF WATER USE. [02:15:05] THAT THAT DOES TRACK THAT THAT INDOOR EFFICIENT WATER USE IS CLOSE TO THE 700 UNITS. >> YOU SAID INDOOR USAGE. >> YES. THE STATES CONSERVATION TARGET OF THE 52.5 GALLONS PER CAPITA PER DAY IS ONLY FOR EFFICIENT INDOOR USE FOR BASIC HEALTH AND SANITATION. THE STATE IS FOUR NOW HAS NOT GIVEN A GUIDELINE FOR EFFICIENT OUTDOOR LANDSCAPING. THAT IS A FAIR POINT. THIS CHART SHOWS OPTION 1 SO WE'RE KEEPING SINGLE-FAMILY AND APARTMENTS THE SAME RATE. THE PROPOSED RESTRUCTURING LOOKING AT ACTUAL SEWER FLOWS AND POLLUTANT LOADING INCREASES THE RATE FROM $23.78 TO $25.13 AND THEN THE SUBSEQUENT FOUR YEARS OR THAT THREE PERCENT INFLATIONARY INCREASE. BUT IF WE LOOK AT AN OPTION WHERE WE BREAK OUT MULTIFAMILY. REMEMBER, SINGLE-FAMILY RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING THE BENEFIT OF THAT AVERAGE RATE WHERE THEY'RE PAYING MAYBE A LITTLE LESS THAN THEY SHOULD BUT APARTMENTS ARE PAYING A LITTLE MORE THAN THEY SHOULD. IF WE BREAK THAT ALL OUT, SINGLE-FAMILY IS NOW PAYING ITS FULL COST AND THOSE MULTIFAMILY CUSTOMERS ARE GETTING THE BENEFIT OF A RATE THAT ACTUALLY REFLECTS THEIR REDUCED FLOWS. YOU CAN SEE APARTMENTS, THEIR RATE WOULD ACTUALLY DECREASE FROM THE CURRENT RATE OF ABOUT $24 DOWN TO ABOUT $16. THIS CHART COMPARES WASCO'S CURRENT BILL WITH THE PROPOSED BILLS UNDER OPTION 1 AND OPTION 2, COMPARED WITH OTHER LOCAL AGENCIES THAT CHARGED SEWER FEES, AND SO WASCO IS THE MIDDLE TO LOWER END OF THE CHART AND WOULD NOT EVEN CHANGE IN THE RANKINGS COMPARED TO OTHER LOCAL AGENCIES IF ONE OF THESE OPTIONS WAS ADOPTED. THE NEXT FEW CHARTS ARE THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS AND AGAIN, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS ON HERE. THERE WAS A LOT OF VARIABILITY IN THE COMMERCIAL CATEGORIES AND WASN'T NECESSARILY INTUITIVE. WE HAD SOME CATEGORIES INCREASE A LOT, SOME CATEGORIES DECREASE A LOT.[NOISE] SOME CATEGORIES SAW, OH, THERE'S A BIG INCREASE THERE AND THEN I LOOKED AND NO CUSTOMERS ARE EVEN CHARGED THAT RATE. SOME OF THESE CATEGORIES EVEN COULD BE ELIMINATED. ONE I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS, YOU HAVE A CATEGORY FOR POOL HALLS, I GUESS BILLIARDS, AND THEN MAYBE A BAR, A POOL HALL. I LOOKED IN THE BILLING RECORDS AND NOBODY IS EVEN CHARGED THAT RATE. YOU CAN SEE IT'S IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR CHART HERE. THE CURRENT BILL IS 58 DOLLARS AND I'M RECOMMENDING IT GO DOWN TO SIX DOLLARS AND YOU SAY, WOW, THAT'S A HUGE DIFFERENCE, HUGE REDUCTION. BUT NOBODY IS CHARGED THAT RATE AND THEN YOU SAY, WELL, WHAT IF A CUSTOMER CAME INTO TOWN? WHAT IF A POOL HALL WANTED TO OPEN UP IN TOWN AND SO I'VE SET THAT RATE EQUAL TO THE RATE BARS WITHOUT DINING. I'VE SET IT EQUAL TO THAT TO BE PROPORTIONAL BECAUSE THAT'S THE CLOSEST CUSTOMER CATEGORY AND THEN AGAIN YOU SAY, WAIT, ON THE CHART WE HAVE BARS WITHOUT DINING GOING FROM ABOUT $76 TO THE 6 DOLLARS. THAT CAN'T BE RIGHT, AND SO THESE ONES WHERE I HAD HIGH FLUCTUATIONS EITHER UP OR DOWN, I REALLY WENT BACK AND LOOKED THROUGH THEIR RECORDS, EVERY MONTH FOR THE PAST THREE YEARS, WHAT IS THEIR WATER USE DOING? DO I HAVE IT ACCURATE? HOW CAN THIS BE ENOUGH? [LAUGHTER] VERY STRANGE CHANGES, AND SO I REALLY DID THAT THESE RATE ADJUSTMENTS AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. WHY ARE THEY GOING UP OR DOWN? MOST OF THEM ARE GOING DOWN AND IT IS VERY, VERY LOW WATER USE. AGAIN, I WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THIS RATE STRUCTURE WAS ADOPTED 15 YEARS AGO. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE UNDERLYING WATER USE OR SEWER FLOW ASSUMPTIONS WERE AT THE TIME. THEY COULD HAVE BEEN ACCURATE AT THE TIME AND WATER USES DECREASE. THEY COULD HAVE MAYBE JUST BEEN ESTIMATED BASED ON INDUSTRY-STANDARD GUIDELINES. WE DON'T KNOW. ANOTHER THING TO POINT OUT IS WITH COVID, MAYBE SOME OF THESE BUSINESSES HAVE BEEN REDUCED HOURS OR CAPACITY AND SO THEY AREN'T USING AS MUCH SEWER, DISCHARGING AS MUCH SEWER FLOW. BUT A LOT OF VARIABILITY CAME OUT IN ALL THESE DIFFERENT CATEGORIES. [02:20:07] I DID VERIFY THEM, I DID DOUBLE-CHECK THEM. MOST OF THEM ARE GOING DOWN. A FEW ARE GOING UP. I DOUBLE-CHECKED THE ONES THAT ARE INCREASING TO REALLY CONFIRM THAT WE HAVE GOOD DATA. WE CAN VERIFY THEIR WATER USAGE RECORDS, PARTICULARLY DURING THE WINTER, AND CONFIRM THEY ACTUALLY ARE DISCHARGING THAT AMOUNT TO THE SEWER. I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF NUMBERS ON HERE PROBABLY WE ALL NEED TO DIGEST A BIT. THE OTHER THING I WANTED TO POINT OUT WAS WITH THIS RATE STRUCTURE. THERE'S NOT A LOT OF ACCOMMODATION FOR BUSINESSES OF DIFFERENT SIZES, SO LET'S SEE. ONE EXAMPLE I LIKE TO USE IS RESTAURANTS. IS IT A TAKE-OUT RESTAURANT THAT'S ONLY OPEN FOR LUNCH SELLING SANDWICHES OR IS IT A FULL SIT-DOWN DINING RESTAURANT WITH MANY TABLES IN CHINA THAT THEY'RE WASHING, AND THE FLOW INTO THE SEWER FOR WASHING DISHES AND THEY'RE OPEN ALL THREE MEALS AND ALL SEVEN DAYS OF THE WEEK, SO IT JUST SAYS RESTAURANT. IT'S A LITTLE HARD. THEY'RE ALL CHARGE ONE RATE WHETHER THEY'RE A BIG ESTABLISHMENT OR A SMALL SET ESTABLISHMENT. WHAT I'VE SEEN WITH THIS TYPE OF RATE STRUCTURE IS SOMETIMES AGENCIES WILL BREAK IT OUT. THEY'LL SAY, SMALL RESTAURANT, LARGE RESTAURANT, RESTAURANT WITH SO MANY BOOTHS OR TABLES, RESTAURANTS TAKE AWAY ONLY VERSUS NINE AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE OTHER ONE EXAMPLE I LIKE TO USE IS BEAUTY SHOPS, IS THAT 10 BARBER STATIONS OR BEAUTY STATIONS, OR IS THAT TWO? THERE CAN BE A LOT OF VARIABILITY IN THESE CATEGORIES THAT MAYBE ISN'T REFLECTED CURRENTLY IN THE RATE STRUCTURE AND THAT ACCOUNTS FOR WHY THE RATES MAY BE ARE SOMEWHAT VOLATILE IN THE COMMERCIAL SECTOR. ANOTHER TOPIC I WANTED TO MENTION IS THE SCHOOL SEWER RATES. SCHOOLS ARE BUILT A LITTLE DIFFERENTLY. THEY'RE BUILT BASED ON AVERAGE DAILY ATTENDANCE OF THE STUDENTS. THE SCHOOLS REPORT THAT INFORMATION TO THE CITY ONCE PER YEAR AND SO THEY'RE BILLED ONCE ANNUALLY. EVERYBODY ELSE IS BILLED MONTHLY EXCEPT THE SCHOOLS WHICH ARE BILLED ANNUALLY. I LOOKED AT INDUSTRY TYPICAL FLOW ESTIMATES PER STUDENT VERSUS ACTUAL INDOOR METERED WATER USE. SCHOOLS, BECAUSE THEY HAVE BALL FIELDS, THEY TYPICALLY HAVE OUTDOOR IRRIGATION METERS SO WATER THAT'S USED FOR THE FOOTBALL FIELDS AND WHATNOT. WE DIDN'T INCLUDE ANY OF THAT BECAUSE THAT'S ALL OUTDOOR. IT'S NOT GOING INTO THE SEWER. I LOOKED AT ONLY THE WATER ACCOUNTS THAT GO INTO THE BUILDINGS THAT WOULD BE DISCHARGED INTO THE SEWER, SO IT'D BE BATHROOMS, IF THERE'S ANY COOKING FACILITIES, WATER USED FOR THAT, POTENTIALLY SHOWERS IN THE GYMS, ALL OF THAT USE. THE TYPICAL WATER USE FOR STUDENTS IS ABOUT 10 GALLONS PER STUDENT PER DAY AND THEN HIGH SCHOOL CAN GO UP 20-25 GALLONS PER STUDENT PER DAY. THAT WAS WHAT WE FOUND LOOKING AT THIS ACTUAL METERED WATER USE, AND SO THAT DID RESULT IN FAIRLY TRAUMATIC INCREASES TO THE SCHOOL CUSTOMERS. AS I MENTIONED, MOST COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS ARE SEEING DECREASES. THE SCHOOL WAS ONE EXAMPLE WHERE THERE WAS AN INCREASE BASED ON ACTUAL METERED WATER USE AS A PROXY FOR SEWER FLOW. CURRENTLY, ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS ARE CHARGED ABOUT NINE DOLLARS PER STUDENT PER YEAR, THEN HIGH SCHOOLS ARE CHARGED ABOUT 11 DOLLARS. I'M PROPOSING A TWO-YEAR PHASE-IN JUST BECAUSE THE RATE CHANGE IS SO DRAMATIC, SO ELEMENTARY SCHOOL ARE PROPOSED TO GO TO ABOUT 11 DOLLARS AND THEN ABOUT 13 DOLLARS, AND THEN HIGH SCHOOL IS PROPOSED TO GO FROM ABOUT 11 TO ABOUT 18.54 DOLLARS AND THEN ABOUT TO 27. THAT IS A VERY SIGNIFICANT INCREASE TO SCHOOLS. I WANTED YOU TO BE AWARE OF THAT. I WANTED TO EXPLAIN THE UNDERLYING COST BASIS FOR HOW I CALCULATED THAT RATE AND JUST BRING IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. ONE POTENTIAL OPTION WOULD BE TELLING THE SCHOOLS, HEY, HERE'S THE WATER USAGE DATA THAT WE USED FOR THIS, DO YOU HAVE A VARIANCE? IS THERE SOME OTHER DATA? JUST LETTING THEM HAVE THE VARIANCE PROCESS TO IDENTIFY ANY CHANGES OR IF THEY CAN PRESENT SOLID DATA, CONFLICTING WITH THIS RATE STRUCTURE THAT WE CAN POINT TO THEM. [02:25:04] MAYBE THEY WOULD GET INVARIANTS OR SOME OTHER RATE ADJUSTMENT. BUT BASED ON THE BEST AVAILABLE DATA THAT I HAVE, THIS WAS THE RATE THAT CAME OUT BASED ON THEIR ACTUAL FLOW AND THEN POLLUTANT LOADING. [LAUGHTER] THAT CONCLUDES THE RATE STRUCTURE DISCUSSION FOR BOTH WATER AND SEWER. TONIGHT WAS THE INITIAL WORKSHOP TO PRESENT A HUGE AMOUNT OF INFORMATION TO YOU. I CAN RERUN THESE NUMBERS IN DIFFERENT WAYS. I'M THE RATE CALCULATOR. WE HAVE SOME ADDITIONAL OPTIONS RECOMMENDED BY STAFF. YOU'VE GIVEN ME SOME INITIAL COMMENTS, BUT WE CAN DISCUSS FURTHER TO REFINE THESE NUMBERS. I THINK A MEETING NEXT MONTH WOULD BE PREMATURE FOR A FINAL REPORT, I THINK WE NEED TO GIVE YOU A FEW MORE OPTIONS AND MORE DISCUSSION OF THE RATE STRUCTURE, AND SO WE HAD THIS INITIAL SCHEDULE FOR AN OCTOBER 1ST RATE IMPLEMENTATION AND JUST BASED ON THE DISCUSSION TONIGHT, WE PROBABLY NEED TO BUMP THIS TO A JANUARY 1ST JUST SO WE HAVE MORE TIME TO RERUN THE NUMBERS FULLY VET THE ALTERNATIVES, HAVE LOTS OF COMMUNITY OUTREACH. THIS IS A FAIRLY AGGRESSIVE, ACCELERATED SCHEDULE. BUT BASED ON OUR DISCUSSION SO FAR, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO RERUN SOME DIFFERENT SCENARIOS SO I CAN OPEN IT UP FOR DISCUSSION. >> THANK YOU. YOU MENTIONED ABOUT SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW AND I CAN TELL YOU FOR EXAMPLE, THAT WHEN WE ADJUSTED THE WATER RATES LAST TIME, FIVE YEARS AGO, I KNOW THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE SCHOOL. ONE OF THEM IN PARTICULAR WAS VERY VOCAL TO ME ABOUT THE HUGE INCREASE THAT THE SCHOOL HAD HAD IN THE USE OF WATER, AND SO YOU [NOISE] MENTIONED BUSINESS WATER USAGE AS BEING UNFAIRLY PAYING MORE SOMEHOW THAN THE BASELINE, AND DID YOU LOOK AT THOSE WATER USAGE? BECAUSE YOU MENTIONED YOU ESTIMATED THE WATER THAT WAS GOING INTO THE SEWER FOR THE SEWER RATES? >> YES. >> BUT DID YOU DO THAT ALSO FOR THE WATER USAGE? DO YOU HOW MUCH WATER THE BUSINESSES ARE USING? DID YOU FIGURE THAT OUT? >> YEAH. THAT'S HOW WE GOT TO THE NEW ALLOTMENTS FOR THE COMMERCIAL CUSTOMERS. I DID A SIMILAR PROCESS. WHAT IS THE EFFICIENT WINTER WATER USE AND THAT'S HOW I CALCULATED. I CAN PULL THAT BACK UP. SORRY. YOU CAN SEE WE HAVE COMMERCIAL, GENERAL, INDUSTRIAL, INSTITUTIONAL, AND IRRIGATION. THAT'S HOW I DID THE WATER ALLOTMENTS FOR THOSE DIFFERENT NON-RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS WHERE I LOOKED AT EACH OF THOSE CATEGORIES, WHAT THEIR EFFICIENT WINTER WATER USE WAS. >> YOU MENTIONED THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SEWER RATES, THAT YOU ACTUALLY WENT INTO THE BILL SO THAT, CERTAIN ENTITIES. DID YOU DO THE SAME FOR THE WATER USAGE? DID YOU LOOK AT PARTICULAR ENTITIES THAT THEY WERE, HOW MUCH WATER THEY WERE USING BASED ON WHAT THEY WERE PAYING? >> THE CATEGORIES ARE A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT BETWEEN WATER AND SEWER. WE HAVE A LOT MORE SEWER CATEGORIES THAN WATER. >> YEAH, THERE ARE TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF CATEGORIES. >> BUT I THINK WHAT YOU'RE GETTING AT IS MAYBE A BILLS DISTRIBUTION ANALYSIS TO SEE HOW MANY CUSTOMERS ARE GOING UP BY SUCH AND SUCH PERCENT, HOW MANY ARE GETTING DECREASES AND WHAT THE DISTRIBUTION. >> I'M VERY INTERESTED IN THAT. >> YEAH. I CAN PROVIDE THAT. I DIDN'T DO QUITE AS MUCH IN THAT REGARD FOR THE WATER NON-RESIDENTIAL RATES, BUT I CAN CERTAINLY PROVIDE THAT. >> YES, THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL. THANK YOU. ARE THERE ANY PUBLIC COMMENTS AT THIS TIME? PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM, STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD. >> SERGIO GONZALEZ. ONE OF THE SLIDES AT THE VERY BEGINNING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME, AND MINE WERE JUST MORE COMMON SOME THINGS TO CONSIDER. THIS IS A LOT OF INFORMATION. I'VE NO ANY TYPE OF RESEARCH ON IT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, BUT WAS THE PER CAPITA. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU CAN BRING IT UP IS THE 52 PER PERSON. BUT THE VERBIAGE ON IT WAS INDOOR USE ONLY AND WAS IT LIKE VERY MINIMUM FOR SANITARY USAGE. THERE'S NO ALLOTMENT WHATSOEVER IN THAT NUMBER FOR OUTDOOR WATER, WHICH MEANS WASHING CARS, EVEN DROUGHT TOLERANT PLANTS CAN'T GET WATER, WELL NOT THAT IT CAN'T, BUT IT'S NOT IN THAT FIGURE. [02:30:02] NO LUXURY OF A SECOND SHOWER. IF I TOOK ONE TO WAKE UP AND I DID YARD WORK AND I WANT TO TAKE A SECOND ONE BECAUSE THAT'S NOT THE BARE MINIMUM FOR SANITARY, I'M SURE. WHO KNOWS IF THEY EVEN ACCOUNTED FOR MORE DISHES BECAUSE YOU HAD A PARTY OR EVEN WHEN YOUR DISHWASHER OR WASHER ONCE A DAY, TWICE A DAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. THAT ALLOTMENT IS EXTREMELY LOW JUST TO GET THERE. BUT IF IT'S A STATE MANDATE, WE HAVE TO GET THERE, AND I GET THAT. I NOTICED THAT YOU GUYS HAVE LARGE WATER RESERVES AND USING SOME OF THAT MONEY TO ROLL OUT THESE RATES AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT COULD PROBABLY BE BENEFICIAL TO PUT SOME OF THAT MONEY BACK INTO THE PUBLIC TO CHANGE THEIR LANDSCAPING. THAT'LL MAKE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE WATER RATES AND THE AMOUNT OF WATER THAT'S BEING USED, SINCE WE CAN'T USE ANY OUTDOOR WATER IN THIS ALLOTMENT ANYWAY. THE MOMENT I WANTED TO WATER MY GRASS, I'VE ALREADY WENT OVER WHAT THE STATE IS CONSIDERING FOR 700 CUBIC FEET. MAYBE CONSIDERING INSTEAD OF THE 800,000 AND THE OTHER WAS TWO MILLION, TO HELP, YOU COULD POSSIBLY PUT OUT SOME GRANTS FOR DG ALSO, DECOMPOSED GRANITE WHERE ARTIFICIAL GRASS AND CHANGE HUNDREDS OF HOUSES, THOUSANDS OF HOUSES LANDSCAPE IN ORDER TO MAKE A HUGE IMPACT ON THAT WATER. THAT'S MY ARGUMENT WITH ALL THAT INFORMATION I WAS TO SHARED WITH US. [LAUGHTER] >> THANK YOU, SERGIO. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR COMMENTS. ANYONE ELSE? IF YOU HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, PLEASE COME TO THE PODIUM. SEEING NONE. YES, SIR. >> WELL, I WANT TO MAKE SURE COUNCILS HAD A CHANCE TO TALK, BUT I DID WANT TO POINT OUT THAT THE PARALLEL WITH THIS PROCESS AND THE SANITATION PROCESS, IF YOU RECALL, WE BROUGHT YOU SOME INITIAL SETS OF SCENARIOS. THE TWO OUT OF THE THREE OR THREE OUT OF THE FOUR WERE TOSSED OUT AND YOU HAVE STAFF TO COME BACK AND SAY, "WELL, WE'RE INTERESTED IN THIS CATEGORY OF PLAN. EXPAND OUR OPTIONS HERE." I ANTICIPATE THE SAME PROCESS. I DON'T THINK ANYBODY THOUGHT THAT WE WERE GOING TO COME IN HERE TONIGHT, AND OPTION 2 IN THE WATER AND OPTION 1 IN THE SEWER WAS GOING TO BE VOTED ON AND WE'RE OFF DOWN THE ROAD. THIS IS AN ITERATIVE PROCESS. I THINK THERE'S SOME GREAT SUGGESTIONS. I THINK THAT WE'VE DANCED AROUND. THE GIST OF THIS IS BASED ON THE USAGE STUDY THAT WAS DONE, THAT 700 CUBIC FEET PER DAY PER HOUSEHOLD IS A REALISTIC NUMBER. DURING THE DEAD OF WINTER WHEN WE'RE NOT WATERING, THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD RESIDENTIAL USAGE, IF YOU REMEMBER, WAS 760, I THINK FOR SINGLE-FAMILY HOMES, 580 SOMETHING FOR MULTI-FAMILY UP TO FOUR AND THEN EVEN LOWER THAN THAT. >> ARE YOU SAYING PER DAY OR PER MONTH? >> PER DAY. >> PER DAY? >> OR NOT. I'M SORRY. >> PER MONTH? >> PER MONTH. >> PER MONTH. YES. THE 52 PER DAY TRANSLATES TO THE 700 PER MONTH. WE ARE IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD, SO THE USE BEYOND IT IS UNDER THE RESIDENTS' CONTROL. NOW, I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT EVERYONE'S GOING TO OPT TO PUT IN DG ON THEIR ENTIRE EXTERIOR OF THE HOUSE. WE WOULDN'T WANT THAT. BUT WE HAVE THAT CONTROL AT TWO DOLLARS PER 100 CUBIC FEET OF THAT USAGE UP ABOVE THAT, IT WOULD BE NONE DURING THE WINTER. IT WOULD BE SOMETHING DURING THE SPRING AND SUMMER AND FALL. IT IS NOT A RADICAL CHANGE TO WHAT HAPPENS INSIDE THE HOUSE, IS A GRADUAL CHANGE TO WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE THE HOUSE. IF WE LOOK AT OPTIONS LIKE NUMBER 3, IT'S A FIVE-YEAR TRANSITION ON WHAT HAPPENS OUTSIDE THE HOUSE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS AN UNDERSTANDING THAT BASED ON THE NUMBERS THAT WERE RESEARCHED, THAT 700 CUBIC FOOT NUMBER IS IN THE BALLPARK OF WHAT'S ACTUALLY HAPPENING ON AVERAGE. THE OTHER IMPORTANT THING TO REMEMBER IS THAT THOSE BAR CHARTS WITH WHAT ARE WE DOING NOW AND THE RATES DURING THE WINTER OR BELOW, BUT THE BARS ARE TALL TO THE OUTSIDE, THAT'S ASSUMING THAT AVERAGE USAGE CONTINUES, THAT FOLKS THAT ARE GETTING THE 2,500 CUBIC FEET ESSENTIALLY FOR FREE AS PART OF THEIR RATE TODAY DON'T CHANGE ANYTHING ABOUT WHAT THEY DO. THOSE ARE DOLLARS BASED ON AVERAGES JUST CONTINUING WITHOUT ANY ALTERATION. [02:35:05] I DON'T ANTICIPATE THAT HAPPENING. SINCE I'VE GONE ON A METER, I HAVE CHANGED THE WAY THAT I DEAL WITH WATER IN MY YARD. I EXPOSE OTHER RATIONAL PEOPLE WOULD DO. THAT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. I DON'T EXPECT EVERYBODY IS BUILT TO SHOOT UP FROM 28-50 SOMETHING, THAT THERE WILL BE SOME ATTEMPT TO CONTROL THAT. HOPEFULLY THAT WAS REDUNDANT AND YOU ALL ALREADY UNDERSTOOD ALL OF THAT, BUT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THAT WAS ON THE RECORD, THAT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT HERE. I AM REALLY ANXIOUS TO GET COUNSEL DIRECTION AFTER YOUR DISCUSSION OF WHICH OF THESE GENERAL TRENDS ARE JUST THIS DIRECTION WE'D LIKE TO GO AND HAVE STAFF CONCENTRATE MORE ON THOSE AREAS AND BRING BACK SOME MORE OPTIONS TO YOU THAT AREN'T GOING TO BE INSTANTLY THROWN OUT, THAT THEY'RE MORE LIKE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING FOR. >> OKAY. THANK YOU, MR. HURLBERT. MADAM CLERK, DO WE HAVE ANY EMAIL COMMENTS ON THIS SUBJECT? >> THERE ARE NO EMAIL COMMENTS THERE. >> ANY COMMENTS FROM THE MEMBERS AND MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES? >> WELL, FOR THE FIRST SUBJECT OF THE WATER, I WAS LEANING TOWARDS OPTION 2 FOR PARTNERSHIP WITH THE COMMUNITY. SINCE WE HAVE THE RESERVE FUND, 11 MILLION, WE CAN HELP OFFSET THE BURDEN. THEN WITH THAT, CONSERVATION IDEAS IMPLEMENTED TO HELP. THE SECOND PART OF THE PRESENTATION WAS THE SEWAGE. TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, MY BRAINS ARE ON OVERLOAD. [LAUGHTER] OTHER THAN JUST RE-EXAMINING THE RATE SHEETS AND CONSOLIDATING SOME OF THOSE BUSINESSES OR EVEN BREAKING THEM APART TO MAKE IT EASIER TO GRASP. BECAUSE LIKE NONE OF FULL HALLS IN THE PAST, BUT YOU NEVER KNOW IF THEY'LL COME BACK. WITH THAT ONE, I NEED A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME TO THINK ON THAT. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. >> I AGREE THERE'S WORK TO BE DONE ON THOSE CATEGORIES. >> THANK YOU, MAYOR PRO TEM. >> MEMBER LYNCH? >> I AGREE WITH MR. PALLARES. THERE MAYBE THE STRUCTURE ON THE COMMERCIAL STUFF NEEDS TO BE LOOKED AT. WE DON'T HAVE HOSPITALS, WE DON'T HAVE MORTUARIES, WE DON'T HAVE POOL HALLS, WE DON'T HAVE MOVIE THEATERS. BUT THE STATE IS GOING TO BE NAILING US WITH CONSERVATION STUFF BEFORE TOO LONG. I KNOW THAT MY WIFE AND I HAVE STUCK TO THE 20 PERCENT REDUCTION IN EVEN MORE THAN THAT SINCE IT CAME OUT A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO OR A FEW YEARS AGO. I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT THAT WE HAVE A DRIVE TO MCDONALD'S OR SOMETHING FOR BREAKFAST AND THERE'S A GUY OUT THERE WASHING DOWN THE PARKING LOT. WE NEED TO PENALIZE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT FOR THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT WE DO NEED TO LOOK AT THAT COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE MORE THAN ANYTHING. >> THANK YOU MR. LYNCH. >> AGAIN, I KNOW THAT WE ARE SEEING THAT EVERYTHING IS BEING STATE-DRIVEN AND EVERYTHING AND WE HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT. THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO ABOUT THAT EXCEPT FOR CHANGE ALL OF THE LEGISLATURE. >> THAT WOULD BE A SOLUTION? >> THAT WOULD BE A SOLUTION, YES. >> ALL RIGHT, MEMBER GARCIA. >> YEAH, I JUST WANTED TO THANK THE PRESENTER FOR TONIGHT'S PRESENTATION. THERE WAS A LOT TO START OFF WITH, BUT THIS IS WHAT TONIGHT IS VERY MUCH TO START WITH. LOOKING FORWARD TO FINDING THOSE CATEGORIES [INAUDIBLE] I ALREADY MENTIONED [INAUDIBLE] THAT THIS BEST [INAUDIBLE] ON THE OPTIONS. I WAS VERY MUCH LEANING TOWARDS OPTION 3. I WAS BY [INAUDIBLE] CREATED PROGRAMS WHERE WE [02:40:09] DO HELP HOUSEHOLDS [INAUDIBLE] EXPENSIVE RIGHT NOW. THANK YOU. >>THANK YOU. MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> JUST A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS SO I CAN UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT BETTER. IF WE'RE ALLOTTED THE 52 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY, AND WE BASICALLY BASED IT ON A FOUR-PERSON HOUSEHOLD. HOW DO WE COME UP WITH THE 700 UNITS FOR THE MONTH? THAT'S THE 700 UNITS IS FOR THE MONTH? >> EACH UNIT IS 100 GALLONS. >> EACH UNIT IS 100 GALLONS. WE'RE ACTUALLY GIVING THEM A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT THEY WOULD TECHNICALLY SUPPOSED TO BE USING? >> I WANT HER TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION. DID I SAY IT CORRECTLY EACH UNIT IS 100 GALLONS? >> [LAUGHTER] EACH UNIT IS BASICALLY 7.5 GALLONS SO ONE CUBIC FOOT IS 7.5 GALLONS. THERE'S A CONVERSION THAT WE'RE DOING TO GET TO THE 5,200. >> THAT'S 5,200 GALLONS A MONTH? >> YEAH. >> FAMILY OF FOUR FOR ANY HOUSEHOLD. >> I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BIT LOWER THAN THE 52 GALLON LIMIT, CORRECT? >> IT IS. >> LET ME GRAB MY CALCULATOR. >> OKAY. >> IT'S A LITTLE LOWER THAN FOUR PEOPLE. AWESOME. YOU DIVIDE EITHER ONE. >> I THINK MR. LYNCH WAS CORRECT IN HIS ASSUMPTION THAT 700 UNITS IS NOT SUFFICIENT TYPICALLY FOR A FAMILY. HE SAID HE'S BEEN THERE BEFORE. >> BEEN THERE BEFORE. >> ALL RIGHT. OKAY. GO AHEAD. >> SHE WAS JUST DOING SOME MATH REAL QUICK. >> 700 TIMES 748 DIVIDED BY 4 PEOPLE, DIVIDED BY 30 DAYS, IT'S ABOUT 50 GALLONS. >> OKAY. >> WHAT WAS THE AMOUNT? >> IT'S ABOUT 50 GALLONS. >> I CAN'T HEAR YOU NOW. >> HELLO. >> YEAH. >> IF WE DO 700 TIMES 7.48 IS 5,236 GALLONS, AND THEN DIVIDED BY, IT'S ABOUT FOUR PEOPLE. I THINK WE LOOKED AT THE AVERAGE HOUSEHOLD SIZE AND IT'S ABOUT 3.4 PEOPLE. THAT'S THE QUESTION IS, DO WE WANT TO ROUND UP OR DOWN? BECAUSE IF WE TAKE THE 5,200 DIVIDED BY 3.4 PEOPLE AND IT'S ABOUT 15,200 GALLONS FOR THE MONTH DIVIDED BY 30 AND THAT'S 51.3 GALLONS PER PERSON PER DAY. IT'S NOT EXACTLY THE 52, IT'S A LITTLE BIT LESS AND THAT ASSUMES 3.4 PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD, WHICH NOBODY HAS 0.4 PEOPLE IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD [LAUGHTER] EVEN CHILDREN. THERE IS SOME AVERAGING WE CAN CONSIDER ROUNDING UP. WE WANT TO ROUND UP FROM THE 3.4 TO THE FOUR. AGAIN, WE HAVE TO START THEN THINKING ABOUT HOW THE STATE IS GOING TO DO YOUR BASELINE THOUGH. IS THE STATE GOING TO ROUND UP TO FOUR? IS THE STATE GOING TO STICK TO THE 3.4 PEOPLE PER HOUSEHOLD? >> THE 3.4 NUMBER BASED ON CENSUS DATA I'M ASSUMING? >> YES. >> UNFORTUNATELY, FOR A COMMUNITY LIKE OURS, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY IN WASCO THAT HAS FOUR PEOPLE LIVE IN THEIR HOUSE. I MEAN SERIOUSLY, I DON'T. UNFORTUNATELY, THE CENSUS NUMBERS ARE TERRIBLE FOR OUR COMMUNITY. THE OTHER THING THAT I HAD A CONCERN ABOUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE MULTI-FAMILY UNITS. GOING FROM A SINGLE-FAMILY TO MULTI-FAMILY, WHICH I UNDERSTAND THE WATER CONSUMPTION IS GOING TO BE LESS. THEY'RE ONLY GETTING 200 EXTRA UNITS AND WHEN YOU GET ALL THE WAY UP TO THE 20-UNIT BUILDINGS, THEY'RE ONLY GETTING ABOUT 250 UNITS PER PERSON PER MONTH. IS THAT A REALISTIC THING THAT THESE LOW-INCOME APARTMENT COMPLEXES ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO MEET? >> YEAH. SORRY. WE'RE STILL ON SEWER? >> NO. I'M SORRY. I'M ON THE WATER OPTIONS. I JUST WONDER BECAUSE WHEN YOU LOOK AT JUST FOR AN EXAMPLE, THE FIVE-YEAR OPTION 3, A 20-UNIT BUILDING IS ONLY GETTING AN ALLOTMENT OF 5,000 UNITS OF WATER WHICH IF THERE'S FOUR PEOPLE, IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY. >> RIGHT. >> IF EACH ONE OF THOSE APARTMENTS HAD FOUR PEOPLE LIVING IN THEM THEY'RE ONLY GETTING [02:45:03] 250 PER MONTH INSTEAD OF THE 700. >> YEAH. THE PROBLEM IS THAT THESE LARGER APARTMENT COMPLEXES HAVE A LOT OF UNITS. A NINE-UNIT COMPLEX VERSUS A 20-UNIT COMPLEX, THAT'S LESS THAN HALF THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BUT THAT'S THE CATEGORY WE HAVE. ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE WE DO IT PER DWELLING UNIT CHARGE. WE TAKE EITHER THE 700 UNITS OR THE, I HAVE THE CHART WHERE IT ESTIMATED THE FLOW PER. >> FOR THE PROPOSED SHOULD BE PER DWELLING UNIT, NOT FOR THE ENTIRE COMPLEX. >> OKAY. BECAUSE ON THIS OPTION 3, IT GOES FROM SINGLE-FAMILY, IT SHOWS 700 UNITS IN 2026. BUT WHEN YOU GET DOWN TO 20 UNITS IT'S ONLY 5,000. AM I MISREADING THIS? EACH UNIT BASICALLY WOULD GET 250 UNITS OF WATER PER MONTH, RIGHT? >> DO YOU HAVE A PAGE NUMBER ON THE LOWER RIGHT OF PAGE? >> SEVEN. [OVERLAPPING] >> ON PAGE 7 WATER OPTION 3. >> OKAY. LET'S SEE IF WE CAN. PAGE 7. >> PAGE 7. >> MAKE SURE WE'RE LOOKING AT THE SAME THING. >> BECAUSE AS YOU GO TO THE LARGER AND LARGER UNITS, THE WATER ALLOTMENT DROPS SIGNIFICANTLY. >> WE DID TALK ABOUT SEWER WHERE I CALCULATED THE APARTMENT WATER USAGE AND IT IS ABOUT 424 UNITS CUBIC FEET PER MONTH PER DWELLING. GET IT. IF WE DO YOUR 400 TIMES 9 APARTMENT COMPLEX AND THIS COMPLEX, THAT'S 3600, SO THAT'S LESS THAN THE 5,000 WE HAVE HERE. >> OKAY. IT IS REASONABLE. >> IT'S IN-BETWEEN. WE HAVE NINE APARTMENT UNITS AND 20 APARTMENT UNITS AND I PICKED IN-BETWEEN NUMBER, I PICKED LIKE 15. >> IT IS SOMETHING FEASIBLY THEY COULD GET IT. >> THEN A COMPLEX THAT HAS 20 UNITS IS MAYBE NOT PAYING ENOUGH, BUT THEN A COMPLEX WITH NINE UNITS MAYBE AS PAYING TOO MUCH. BUT THAT'S THE RIGHT CATEGORY WE HAVE. THE CITY HAS DECIDED 9-20 IS THE CATEGORY. I TRIED TO PICK A NUMBER IN THE MIDDLE REPRESENTING THE FLOW OF ABOUT 15 DWELLING UNITS. >> GOING ONTO THE SEWER RATES, I HAD A QUESTION. THE ONE THING THAT STOOD OUT TO ME JUST LOOKING AT THE COMMERCIAL SEWER RATES RIGHT OFF THE BAT WAS THE MORTUARY THE FIRST CATEGORY THAT THEY'RE MORE THAN TRIPLING BY THE TIME WE GET TO THE END OF THE FIVE YEARS. I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW PART OF IT IS WATER CONSUMPTION. I'M ASSUMING BECAUSE OF THE CHEMICALS AND STUFF LIKE THAT, THAT ALSO PLAYS A ROLE IN IT. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS FOR THE WATER CONSUMPTION IS WE ONLY HAVE ONE FUNERAL HOME IN TOWN AND THERE'S A HOUSE ATTACHED TO IT OR THE HOUSE AND THE BUSINESS BILLED SEPARATELY FOR THE WATER? >> I DON'T THINK. MY COMMENT TO THAT WAS GOING TO BE I DIDN'T SEE ANY MORTUARY IN THE BILLING SYSTEM. IT COULD BE THERE. >> THERE'S ONE. >> MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK UP THAT ACCOUNT NUMBER AND SEE HOW THEY'RE BUILT AND COULDN'T BE THERE NOT BUILT CORRECTLY. >> HERE'S FUNERAL HOMES. >> RIGHT. >> I USE FOR THAT CATEGORY USED INDUSTRY STANDARD INFORMATION FROM OTHER CITIES THAT HAVE MULTIPLE MORTUARY, WHAT THEIR TYPICAL FLOW AND POLLUTANT LOADING IS BECAUSE I DIDN'T SEE ONE IN THE BILLING SYSTEM. WE'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT. >> THEN THE LAST QUESTION I HAD WAS JUST REGARDING THE SCHOOLS. I KNOW THAT YOU'VE GIVEN THE RATE ADJUSTMENT PROPOSALS, BUT WHAT IS THEIR ACTUAL FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, FOR EXAMPLE, WHAT IS THEIR ACTUAL COSTS? I'M JUST CURIOUS. HOW MUCH EVERY YEAR IS THIS $17 PER UNIT? YOU CAN END UP COSTING THEM. >> I DO HAVE THE UNDERLYING DATA IN MY FINANCIAL MODEL. I DON'T HAVE IT UP THE TOP OF MY HEAD TO MENTION IT TONIGHT. I CAN TAKE THAT AS A NOTE AS WELL TO BRING BACK NEXT TIME. >> THE ADA, THOSE SHOULD BE RELATIVELY STABLE AND WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO GET THAT. IT'S A MATTER OF MULTIPLYING BY EITHER OF THOSE FORMULAS BY THE ACTUAL ADA TO COME UP WITH WHAT THE DOLLAR DIFFERENCE WOULD BE ACROSS THOSE RATES. GUESSTIMATING BASED ON JUST A SWAG OF AN ADA OF 800 FOR THE HIGH SCHOOL, AND THEN MAYBE A LITTLE LOW OF SOMEWHERE AROUND 500 A MONTH DIFFERENCE. >> SOMETHING THAT THEY COULD DO. >> TO A THOUSAND IF YOU WENT TO THE EXTREME. >> THAT ANSWERS THAT. THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. OTHER QUESTIONS I HAD BEEN ASKED, BUT I DO WANT TO POINT OUT SOMETHING THAT SAYS LIKE IT'S MENTIONED AND THAT IS THAT WE NEED TO REACH OUT TO THE SCHOOL ADMINISTRATORS AND FIND OUT IF THEY HAVE MORE SPECIFIC DATA THAT SHE CAN USE TO COME UP WITH A MORE SPECIFIC USAGE, [02:50:06] BOTH FOR WATER AND OF COURSE, WHAT THEY'RE PUTTING INTO THE INTO THE SEWER IS FOR THE OPTION. I WANT THE OPTION THAT HAS THE LEAST IMPACT ON OUR RESIDENTS OVER THE LONG PERIOD OF TIME, WHICH IS FIVE YEARS. WHEN IT COMES TO THAT, I WOULD PREFER THAT OPTION 3, WE CHOSEN IS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER OPTION. ALSO, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE DATA THAT I ASKED YOU FOR, WHICH IS THAT YOU LOOK AT THE WATER USAGE FOR THE COMMERCIAL WATER USERS AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE USING. THAT MAYBE THERE'S AN ADJUSTMENT THERE THAT CAN BE MADE SO THAT THE RESIDENTS DON'T PAY AS MUCH AS IT'S BEING PROPOSED. ALSO, HOW DO WE MEASURE? BECAUSE WE HAVE A LARGE COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS HERE IN MOSCOW THAT USE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF WATER. THEY'RE ALSO PUTTING WATER INTO THE SEWER, WHICH MAY CONTAIN CONTAMINANTS AND HAVE THE ABILITY TO MEASURE THAT. WE'RE ABLE TO MEASURE BECAUSE THERE WAS A QUESTION I REMEMBER AND I'M NOT GOING TO MENTION THE NAME OF THE BUSINESS AS TO WHETHER SOMEBODY WAS DUMPING MORE INTO THE SEWER AND SOLIDS AS WELL THAT WE WERE NOT BEING ABLE TO MONITOR? >> YES. >> IS THAT STILL THE CASE THAT WE HAVE THAT ISSUE? >> CERTAIN CATEGORIES OF COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS HAVE TO GET A DISCHARGE PERMIT THAT NOT ONLY PROVIDES FOR A ANALYSIS OF THE CONSTITUENTS IN THE WATER THEY'RE DISCHARGING, BUT ALSO THE VOLUME. I BELIEVE WE HAVE AT LEAST A COUPLE OF BUSINESSES THAT ARE ON DISCHARGE METERS. GO AHEAD. >> I'M SORRY. I CAN'T HEAR YOU. THANK YOU, LUIS. I APPRECIATE YOU COMING. >> NO PROBLEM. IT'D BE SERVICE AND SONNY JIM THAT CURRENTLY HOLD THE WASTE DISCHARGE PERMITS AND THEIR FLOWS MEASURED. THEY ALL HAVE METERS ON TAKING THE WATER IN AND THE WATER GOING OUT TO THE SEWER AND THERE'S A CALCULATION FOR IT, AND FORM OF BOD AND TSS. THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE STRENGTH OF THE WATER AND THAT'S HOW THEY'RE BUILT BY THAT CALCULATION. >> LET GO AND YOU LOOK AT THOSE NUMBERS AS WELL FOR YOUR CALCULATIONS? >> THE OTHER THING WITH THOSE TWO CUSTOMERS IS IF THEY DISCHARGE OVER A MAXIMUM POLLUTANT LEVEL, THEY PAY ALL THESE PENALTIES AND FEES. IT'S A LITTLE HARD TO REPRESENT AND JUST THE CHART LIKE THIS, WHEN IT'S A COMBINATION OF A RATE PER POUND OF BOD PER POUND OF TSS PER GALLON OF FLOW, BUT PLUS ALL THESE ADDERS, SO WE INCLUDE IT ALL THAT REVENUE IN THE FINANCIAL BOTTLE. I WOULD SAY, I NEED TO INCLUDE A CHART ON THIS PRESENTATION AS WELL SO YOU CAN COMPARE. >> YOU SAID THAT YOU'RE GOING TO REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CATEGORIES WHEN IT COMES TO SEWER USAGE BECAUSE THERE'S SO MANY OF THEM THERE THAT THEY DON'T NEED TO BE. WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE AS MANY CATEGORIES AS IT CURRENTLY. IS THAT CORRECT OR IS THAT WHAT YOU SAID? >> WELL, YEAH. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CATEGORIES THAT HAVE NO CUSTOMERS IN THEM. AN OPTION WOULD BE JUST ELIMINATE THOSE CATEGORIES. ANOTHER OPTION COULD BE LEAVE THEM IN BECAUSE IT'S ALREADY IN YOUR BILLING SYSTEM. THEN IF THOSE TYPES OF BUSINESSES CAME TO TOWN SOMEDAY IN THE FUTURE DURING THIS FIVE-YEAR RATE PLAN INTO THE FUTURE, YOU ALREADY HAVE A CATEGORY FOR THEM. I'M OPEN TO YOUR RECOMMENDATION FOR HOW TO HANDLE THOSE. >> YEAH. YOU ALSO MENTIONED, FOR EXAMPLE, BEAUTY SALONS IN WHICH YOU SAY, SUGGEST TWO CHAIRS OR 10 SHARES. I THINK YOU MENTIONED THAT THERE IS NO DISTINCTION ABOUT WITHIN THOSE CHARTS. >> CORRECT. >> IS IT YOUR SUGGESTION THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE THAT THIS DISTINCTION? >> AGAIN, THAT'S ANOTHER ANOTHER OPTION. GENERALLY, I RECOMMEND MORE GRANULARITY. I THINK IT'S MORE FAIR TO CHARGE SMALLER BUSINESSES LESS THAN BIGGER BUSINESSES MORE. BUT THERE ARE ADMINISTRATIVE CHALLENGES WITH THAT. CAN YOUR BILLING SYSTEM ACCOMMODATE MULTIPLE TYPES OF BEAUTY PARLORS? DO WE KNOW THE NUMBER OF CHAIRS IN TOWN? THAT'S SOME DATA YOU'D HAVE TO COLLECT. THERE'S SOME ADMINISTRATIVE COSTS WITH GATHERING THAT INFORMATION AND PROCESSING IT. >> THE REASON FOR MY QUESTION IS, I'M WONDERING WHETHER HAVING THIS GRANULAR INFORMATION, AS YOU MENTIONED, [02:55:05] WOULD REDUCE THE RATES, AGAIN, FOR THOSE THAT NEED TO PAY LESS, WHICH IS OUR RESIDENTIAL CUSTOMERS, I'M WONDERING ABOUT THAT. >> IT'S HARD TO SAY WITHOUT HAVING THE DATA. DO YOU HAVE A LOT OF LARGE BEAUTY PARLORS WHO SHOULDN'T BE PAYING MORE OR IS IT MOSTLY LARGE OR NOT? >> I DON'T KNOW. THERE'S A LOT OF BEAUTY FARMERS IN WASP. >> YEAH. I'M JUST HESITANT TO GIVE AN ANSWER BECAUSE WE DON'T KNOW. WE DON'T HAVE THE DATA, SO WE DON'T KNOW. >> I GUESS, WE SHOULD COME UP WITH AS MUCH DATA FEASIBLE TO MAKE THIS RATE SOME MORE FAIR TO OUR CUSTOMERS, WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT WATER WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SEWER? DO YOU WANT TO COME UP TO THE TO THE PODIUM? PLEASE COME. >> MY NAME IS LAMAR RODRIGUEZ. JUST BY LISTENING TO HER TALK ABOUT BEAUTY SALONS, FOR EXAMPLE, DESIGN NAILS. I GET MY NAILS DONE THERE. I WALK IN, THEY HAVE LIKE 14 CHAIRS, BUT MOST OF THE TIME I WALK IN THERE, THEY'RE MOSTLY EMPTY. THE OWNER IN FACT WAS EVEN TELLING ME HE ONLY HAS THREE EMPLOYEES BECAUSE COVID, EVERYTHING THAT'S HAPPENED, HE DOESN'T HAVE VERY MUCH BUSINESS. HOW WOULD YOU DO THE RATES ON SOMETHING LIKE THAT? >> SOMETHING TO CONSIDER. >> THAT'S SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. >> THANK YOU LAMAR, I APPRECIATE IT. ANYONE ELSE BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD? SEEING NONE. ARE YOU REQUESTING A MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS INFORMATION? >> I'LL BE HONEST [LAUGHTER] WE HAVE A POSSIBLE MINUTE ACTION ON THIS ITEM AND THAT WOULD BE IN THE FORM OF MOVING FORWARD AND GUIDANCE FOR STAFF ON WHICH OF THE RANGE OF OPTIONS SOUND LIKE WHAT YOU'RE AFTER. IF I COULD TRY TO SUMMARIZE WHAT I'VE CAPTURED THERE, IT SOUNDS LIKE CONTINUING. >> BEFORE YOU DO THAT, THERE'S NO CLEAR DIRECTION AS TO WHICH OPTION THE COUNCIL WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD WITH. I KNOW THAT. I THINK IT WAS MEMBER, ALEX AND MYSELF SAID OPTION 3, AND THEN MR. LYNCH AND MR. PALLARES SAID THAT THEY WOULD PREFER OPTION 2. WOULD YOU STATE WHICH OPTION YOU WOULD PREFER? >> FOUR. [LAUGHTER] THREE. >> THERE YOU HAVE IT, THERE'S CLEAR DIRECTION. >> THE DIRECTION I'M TAKING OR PROBABLY THE INSTRUCTION I'M TAKING AWAY FROM THAT IS TO CONCENTRATE IN AND AROUND OPTION 3 OR PERHAPS SOME EVEN MORE AGGRESSIVE AND MAYBE SOME SLIGHTLY LESS. BUT IN THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BETWEEN TWO AND THREE MAYBE. ALSO, THE SUGGESTIONS WERE VERY GOOD ABOUT SUBSIDIZING CHANGES IN THE COMMUNITY AS PART OF THE FIVE-YEAR RAMP IN AND HELPING PEOPLE ADJUST. I THINK ENFORCEMENT PLAYS A ROLE HERE. I THINK THAT THE GRANTS FOR THESE IMPROVEMENTS PLAY A ROLE. I THINK BEING MORE FAIR. THAT'S A FANTASTIC OBSERVATION THAT IF YOU LIVE IN A HOUSE WITH 14 BATHROOMS, BUT THERE'S STILL ONLY TWO OF YOU LIVING THERE, YOU'RE NOT RUNNING AROUND AND RUNNING THE SINKS AND FLUSHING THE TOILET. >> YOU MIGHT HAVE THAT. >> THE SAME WITH THE, THE BEAUTY PARLOR IS A GREAT EXAMPLE. NOW WE DO COLLECT SOME OF THAT INFORMATION AT THE BEGINNING WHEN A BUSINESS LICENSES IS ACQUIRED AND THE BUILDING PERMIT IS ACQUIRED, WE KNOW THE NUMBER OF STATIONS THE BUILDING IS PLUMBED FOR. BUT WE WOULD NEED TO WORK WITH THE BUSINESS OWNERS TO SEE IF THE NATURE OF THAT BUSINESS CHANGES OVER TIME AND THAT WE ARE BILLING THE CORRECT AMOUNT. THAT IS COUNTER TO CONSOLIDATE IN OUR LIST, TO POTENTIALLY EXPANDING THE LIST OR THE COMPLEXITY OF THE BUILDING. I'M TAKING THAT AWAY AS WE NEED TO DO SOME THINKING ABOUT THAT IF THERE ARE SOME CREATIVE WAYS TO MAKE IT FAIR AND EQUITABLE, AND CERTAINLY TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH COMMERCIAL AND RESIDENTIAL ARE PAYING THEIR FAIR SHARE, JUST LIKE WE DID WITH THE SANITATION, THE REFUSE RATES, TAKING IT DOWN TO A VARIETY OF METRICS, NUMBER OF TIPS, NUMBER OF POUNDS, [03:00:02] DOLLARS PER POUND, TRIPS, POUNDS PER TRIP. THERE ARE FOUR OR FIVE DIFFERENT WAYS TO SLICE THIS. I'M TAKING THAT AWAY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THOSE REASONABLY COMPARABLE NUMBERS SO THAT EVERYBODY IS. IT SOUNDS LIKE WE NEED TO WORK WITH THE SCHOOLS TO ESTABLISH WHAT'S A FAIR RATE THERE. THEY MAY HAVE THIS DATA. I DON'T KNOW WHETHER WE HAVE A METER ON THE SCHOOLS AS WELL AS USING THIS ADA. WE HAVE METER FOR INCOMING WATER SO WE CAN TEST WHETHER THE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ADA USAGE ARE ACCURATE. >> THE MORE DATA THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR US, I THINK THAT WOULD ALLOW US TO MAKE A MORE INFORMED DECISION. I THINK ALL OF THESE THINGS THAT YOU MENTIONED WITH [INAUDIBLE] STORES, WE'RE ABLE TO DO THAT. >> RIGHT. >> I DO WANT YOU TO NOTE SOMETHING THAT WHEN IT COMES TO WATER USAGE, AND THIS HAS BEEN A COMPLAINT IN THE PAST, THAT AT LEAST THE HIGH SCHOOL USES WATER. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DAY, THEY'RE WATERING THEIR FOOTBALL FIELD. WHEN WE KNOW THAT'S THE LEAST EFFICIENT TIME TO WATER BECAUSE A LOT OF IT EVAPORATES. BUT I DON'T KNOW WHETHER THAT PLAYS ANY ROLE INTO HOW MUCH WATER THEY USE AND MAYBE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DISCUSSED WITH THEM AS WELL BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT SUBJECT TO OUR RULES. >> RIGHT. THEY ARE PERHAPS USING LIKE THE PARKS HAVE SWID WATER AND NOT CITY WATER. >> THEY COULD BE. >> THERE'S THAT AS WELL. THEN ALSO THE OTHER TAKEAWAY I HAVE IS TO LOOK AT OUR SCHEDULE. I THINK THE OCTOBER 1ST IS PERHAPS A MOUNTAIN TOO HIGH. WHETHER WE WANT TO SLIP ALL THE WAY TO JANUARY OR NOT, WE'LL DISCUSS SO MAYBE IT'S SOMETHING IN BETWEEN. >> THAT TO ME SOUNDS REASONABLE TO MOVE IT UP TO THE NEW YEAR. I THINK THAT IT WILL ALLOW YOU TO DO THE RESEARCH THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE. IT WILL ALLOW US TO ALSO SIMULATE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT YOU WILL PROVIDE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE ANY DECISIONS. THAT'S MY TAKE. >> [INAUDIBLE] COUNCILMEMBER GARCIA. >> MEMBER GARCIA, I APOLOGIZE YOU DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING OF WHAT I SAID. WE WERE JUST DISCUSSING HOW THE STAFF SHOULD MOVE FORWARD FROM HERE. YOU DID HERE MR. KROGER'S, COMMENTS AND ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT THE MORE INFORMATION THAT THE STAFF CAN PROVIDE TO US, THE BETTER IT WILL BE FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION. THAT ALSO GIVING US THE TIME TO ASSIMILATE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE FORTHCOMING AND POSSIBLY MOVING THIS TO JANUARY TO MAKE A DECISION ON THIS RATES ONCE WE HAVE ALL OF THE INFORMATION THAT WILL BE GATHERED, BOTH BY STAFF. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> DEFINITELY. MAYBE WE'LL HAVE SOME INPUT FROM THE PUBLIC AS WELL. BECAUSE SOME GOOD IDEAS CAME OUT TODAY ABOUT HOW TO PROCEED WITH THIS. I JUST WANT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT WAS IN MY MIND AND I DIDN'T MENTION IT IS THAT THE LA CITY, THEY DO HAVE PROGRAMS IN WHICH THEY ARE GIVING MONEY TO PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR LANDSCAPING TO ZERO SCAPING SO THAT THERE'S A LOT LESS WATER USAGE. THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE COULD IMPLEMENT HERE TOO. BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS EITHER OR, BUT RATHER IT'S AN ADDITION TO A SUBSIDIZED RATE WHICH WOULD BE OPTION 3. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? >> IT DOES. >> THANK YOU. YOU HAVE YOUR DIRECTION MR. HOUGHTON? >> I THINK I DO. CLARIFICATION NEEDED FROM STAFF? >> OKAY. WE'RE GOOD. >> THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO ITEM 13. [13) a. Kern Economic Development Corporation (Garcia)] REPORTS FROM COMMISSIONS AND COMMITTEES, CURRENT AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION MEMBER GARCIA. >> YES. THE MEETING IS ON THURSDAY, I SPOKE TO RICHARD TO SEE IF THE MEETING WAS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE VIA ZOOM, IF IT ISN'T WE WILL NEED TO SET IT OFF [INAUDIBLE] >> VERY GOOD. LET US KNOW, AND THEN LET STAFF KNOW, AND THEN WE WILL FIGURE OUT. IT MIGHT BE ALTERNATE. WHO'S THE ALTERNATE? >> I NEED TO CHECK. >> I'M NOT SURE. [INAUDIBLE] THAT NO PERSON IN THE MORNING [INAUDIBLE] [BACKGROUND]. [03:05:02] >> YOU'RE RIGHT I APOLOGIZE. I DIDN'T GET TO THANK MRS. [INAUDIBLE] SHE'S BEEN HERE FOR QUITE A WHILE BUT IF YOU SPEAK WITH HER EXPLAIN HER [OVERLAPPING] >> WE WILL. >> THANK YOU, MEMBER GARCIA. CURRENT COUNCIL OF GOVERNMENT I WAS UNABLE TO ATTEND LAST MEETING. [13) b. Kern Council of Government (Reyna)] MR. GARCIA, WERE YOU ABLE TO ATTEND? >> I WAS. THERE'S JUST A LOT OF GENERAL UPDATES. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF UPDATES THAT [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE YOU ATTENDING IN MY PLACE. THANK YOU. WASCO TASK FORCE, MR. MARTINEZ? [13) c. Wasco Task Force (Martinez & Reyna)] >> WE MET LAST WEEK, UNFORTUNATELY IT WAS A VERY POOR TURNOUT, SO NOT MUCH CAME OUT OF THE MEETING. >> OKAY. THANK YOU. REPORTS FROM KERN COUNTY FIRE. CHIEF APPLETON. [14) a. Kern County Fire Department (Appleton)] >> GOOD EVENING. [LAUGHTER] >> HE LOOKED AT THE CLOCK [LAUGHTER] >> MAKE SURE IT'S NOT MORNING. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] STARTING IN TWO MINUTES MARIA. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND] >> IS THIS ON? [LAUGHTER] [OVERLAPPING] >> I'LL MAKE SURE YOU CAN HEAR ME. I'LL MAKE THIS QUICK. THE MAY STATS FOR OUR INCIDENTS, WE HAD 203 TOTAL INCIDENTS, IN MAY: 24 FIRES AND 135 RESCUES IN MEDICAL AIDS. WE JUST INTRODUCED OUR NEW ONLINE REPORTING FORM THAT IS AVAILABLE TO REPORT FIREWORKS. IT IS ACTIVE NOW, YOU CAN GET TO HOW YOU DO IT BUT ONE WAY IS KERNCOUNTYFIRE.ORG. ALSO WHAT WE HAVE TONIGHT IS WE HAVE THE DOOR HANGER. IT WILL BE READY FOR DISTRIBUTION. THE DOOR HANGER, YOU CAN SEE A QR CODE AND PEOPLE CAN USE THEIR PHONE TO USE THAT QR CODE TO REPORT ALSO. IT TAKES YOU RIGHT TO THE FORM. ALL THE INFORMATION IS ON THE DOOR HANGER. VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT WE HAD A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO, JUST A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT CHANGES. THAT'S ALL I HAVE FOR MAY. ANY QUESTIONS? >> NO, I'M HAPPY TO SEE THIS. [BACKGROUND] >> GOOD. >> I'M GOING TO ASK YOU ABOUT IT. >> ON THE BACK IT'S SPANISH AND THEY WENT TO THE PRINTER THIS AFTERNOON. >> EXCELLENT. NOW THE DISTRIBUTION OF THOSE IS INCUMBENT UPON US. I SAID THAT WE WOULD DO THAT. SO NOW WE'RE ON MORE [OVERLAPPING]. >> MORE HOMEWORK. >> YEAH, MORE HOMEWORK. >> WE THOUGHT THE LOGICAL WAY TO DO IS BREAK IT UP BY COUNCIL DISTRICTS AND WORK HOWEVER CREATIVE YOU CAN GET IN RALLYING THE VOLUNTEERS TO HELP WITH THE DISTRIBUTION. THE FIRE DEPARTMENT WILL HELP WHERE THEY CAN. YOU MAY WANT TO CHECK WITH SCHOOLS AND SERVICE CLUBS AND WHATNOT TO HELP OUT WITH THAT. IF IT'S BROKEN UP AND [BACKGROUND] ENOUGH HANDS, IT'S NOT AN ONEROUS TASK. >> YEAH, THAT SEEMS REASONABLE TO ME. THANK YOU FOR GETTING THIS DONE. >> ANY QUESTIONS? >> WELL, NO. HOPEFULLY PEOPLE WILL BE CALLING AND YOU WILL BE ABLE TO ANSWER TO THEIR CALLS OR MAYBE YOU'LL CATCH SOME PEOPLE AND FINE THEM $1,500? >> YES. >> I HOPE SO. >> OKAY. >> THANK YOU. NOW TO THE SHERIFF, [14) b. Kern County Sheriff Department (Shinn)] SERGEANT [INAUDIBLE]. [BACKGROUND] >> [LAUGHTER] >> USUALLY [INAUDIBLE]. >> PULL THAT MIC A LITTLE TOWARDS YOU. THERE YOU GO. >> RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, MAYOR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. I'M JUST GOING TO PRESENT ON A COUPLE EVENTS REAL QUICK AND THEN HAVE A LITTLE SPILL ABOUT OUR UPCOMING HOLIDAY. THE FIRST EVENT I'M GOING TO PRESENT ON WHERE THE WASCO DEPUTIES RESPONDED TO. WHERE AM I POINTING? THIS THING IS NOT WORKING THIS TIME [BACKGROUND] YOU SET ME UP [LAUGHTER] ALL RIGHT. IT OCCURRED ACTUALLY DURING OUR LAST MEETING OR DIRECTLY SOON AFTER, ON TUESDAY, JUNE 7TH, APPROXIMATELY SEVEN TO 3:00 PM DEPUTIES AND ALSO SUBSTATION ON-SITE AT AN ASSAULT, A DEADLY WEAPON IN PROGRESS WAS A SHOOTING THAT OCCURRED NEAR THE INTERSECTION IN 6TH AND D STREET. UPON OUR CONTACT INDIVIDUALS AT THE SCENE, THERE IS LOCATED ONE VICTIM OF A SHOOTING WHOSE SUBSEQUENTLY TRANSPORTED TO THE HOSPITAL WITH NON-LIFE THREATENING INJURIES. DURING THE INVESTIGATION, A MARIO GUTIERREZ MENDEZ, AGE 27 IN WASCO WAS CONTACTED AND FOUND TO BE IN POSSESSION OF AMMUNITION AND SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED AND BOOKED IN KERN COUNTY JAIL FOR FELONY, [03:10:01] [INAUDIBLE] PERSON IN POSSESSION OF AMMUNITION, FILING A FALSE POLICE REPORT, AND FELONY CHILD ENDANGERMENT. YOU MAY RECOGNIZE GUTIERREZ MENDEZ BECAUSE I PRESENTED ON HIM AT THE LAST MEETING WHERE HE WAS PREVIOUSLY ARRESTED FOR FELONY IN POSSESSION OF A FIREARM AND AMMUNITION AND RUNNING FROM DEPUTIES. JUST AS A REMINDER, THIS TYPE OF STUFF THE DEPUTIES ARE FACING THAT WE'RE OUT THERE ARRESTING SAME INDIVIDUALS OVER AND OVER AGAIN DOING WHAT WE CAN. THE SECOND INCIDENT I'M GOING TO PRESENT ON OCCURRED ON JUNE 9TH APPROXIMATELY SIX TO 3:00 PM DEPUTIES IN WASCO SUBSTATION DISPATCH THE AREA OF HIGHWAY 43, AND JACKSON THROUGH REPORT OF A SHOOTING. UPON ARRIVAL, DEPUTIES CONTACTED NUMEROUS INDIVIDUALS WHERE THREE WERE SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED WHO INCLUDED TANYA JENNINGS, AGE 34, OF WASCO, JACOB AND JAMES ORTIZ AGE 19 OF WASCO, AND ANTHONY ROCHA, AGE 40 OF WASCO. JENNINGS WAS ARRESTED FOR POSSESSION OF A FIREARM, ASSAULT WITH A DEADLY WEAPON, BRINGING A FIRE ARM, CHILD CRUELTY, AND CONCEALING OR DESTROYING EVIDENCE. JACOB ORTIZ WAS ARRESTED FOR FELONY, ATTEMPTED MURDER, CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT A CRIME, AND WILLFUL DISCHARGE OF A FIREARM, NEGLIGENCE. ANTHONY ROCHA WAS ARRESTED FOR CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT A CRIME AND CONCEALING EVIDENCE. BOTH OF THESE SHOOTINGS THAT WE'RE DISCUSSING ARE ONGOING INVESTIGATIONS AND DEPUTIES AND SHERIFF'S OFFICE ARE ASKING FOR ANYBODY THAT HAS ANY INFORMATION REGARDING EITHER ONE OF THE INVESTIGATIONS TO CONTACT THE SHERIFF'S OFFICE AT 661-861-310 OR THE SECRET WITNESS AT 661-322-4040. THE LAST INCIDENT I WAS GOING TO PRESENT ON JUST OCCURRED A COUPLE OF DAYS AGO OR CLOSER, JUNE 15TH, APPROXIMATELY 08:15 PM. ACTUALLY, I'M SORRY AS HIM. DEPUTIES WHILST THE SUBSTATION RESPONDENTS, THAT AREA OF POSE OF DRIVING PALM AVENUE FOR A SUSPICIOUS PERSON, SUPPOSEDLY DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, UPON ARRIVAL THE AREA DEPUTY IS LOCATED THE VEHICLE AND CONDUCTING TRAFFIC STOP, WHERE THE DRIVER OF THE VEHICLE IDENTIFIED AS BERNARDO MARTINEZ, AGE 36 OF MOSCOW WAS SUBSEQUENTLY ARRESTED FOR DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF NARCOTICS. DRIVING WITH THE END, DRIVING WITHOUT A LICENSE. DURING THE INVESTIGATION, DEPUTIES DETERMINED THE VEHICLE AND BEING OCCUPIED BY MARTINEZ WAS ALSO STOLEN, AND HE WAS SUBSEQUENTLY BOOKED IN THE CARNEGIE JAIL FOR POSSESSION OF STOLEN VEHICLE AND DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE, ALONG WITH DRIVING WITH NO LICENSE. THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE THAT I'M PRESENT ON TONIGHT. JUST WANT TO TOUCH ON REAL QUICKLY AS A REMINDER TO THE PUBLIC, INDIVIDUALS, AND COMMUNITY THAT THE HOLIDAYS ARE VERY DANGEROUS TIME, AROUND THIS HOLIDAY, THE FIREWORKS, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NOT PARTAKE IN ANY ILLEGAL FIREWORKS. THERE ARE DIRE CONSEQUENCES, NOT ONLY FINANCIALLY, LEGALLY BUT ALSO PHYSICALLY TO YOUR HEALTH. THESE FIREWORKS ARE UNPREDICTABLE AND THEY CAUSE NUMEROUS INJURIES EVERY YEAR AND SOMETIMES UNFORTUNATELY DEATHS. PLEASE BE SAFE. LAW ENFORCEMENT FIRE WOULD BE OUT AND ABOUT WHEN WE CAN TO KEEP EVERYBODY SAFE. WITH THAT ANY QUESTIONS? I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME, TRYING TO GET OUT OF HERE QUICK. >> ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE SHERIFF? THANK YOU, SHERIFF. >> THANK YOU. >> CITY MANAGER, REPORTS FROM CITY MANAGER. [15) REPORTS FROM THE CITY MANAGER] >> I WILL DEFER. [LAUGHTER]. >> WISE. >> THE BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING? >> BUDGET WORKSHOP MEETING, I THINK YOU ALL HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT CHANGE. THE CHANGE IN TIME, INSTEAD OF 5:30. >> NOT EVERYONE [INAUDIBLE] >> THE MEETING HAD TO BE MOVED TO 7:30 FROM 5:30. >> 7:30 PM? >> 7:30, TOMORROW NIGHT. >> ISRAELI, YOU GET 30 MINUTES TOMORROW. [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] >> OKAY. ALL RIGHT. >> I THINK BASED ON LAST NIGHT'S EXPERIENCE, WE WOULD BE DONE WELL AHEAD OF TONIGHT. >> YEAH. HEY, WE CAN DEDUCE TO 9:30 AND 9:25, OR WE CAN GET. >> 9 O'CLOCK STRAIGHT UP. >> [INAUDIBLE] [LAUGHTER]. >> I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LAST-MINUTE CHANGE IN THE SCHEDULE. >> BUT DON'T WORRY. >> WE WILL GET THROUGH IT. >> NO WORRIES. OKAY. REPULSIVE CITY COUNCIL, [16) REPORTS FROM THE CITY COUNCIL] MAYOR PRO TEM PALLARES. >> I'M TIRED. NO REPORT. [LAUGHTER] >> OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD REASON. >> MEMBER LYNCH. >> JUST NOT REALLY A REPORT, BUT I'D LIKE TO THANK OUR PUBLIC WORKS PEOPLE TODAY OR YESTERDAY I WITNESSED A LADY TRIP ON A SIDEWALK THAT WAS [OVERLAPPING] VERY UNEVEN. [03:15:06] I MENTIONED IT TO LUIS LAST NIGHT AND IT WAS FIXED TODAY. >> LUIS [APPLAUSE]. >> LUCKY THE LADY WAS NOT INJURED, SHE WAS ABOUT 70 PLUS YEARS OLD, TRIPPED AND FELL AND I STOPPED AND HELPED HER, AND SHE SAYS, I'M OKAY. >> WONDERFUL. >> THANK YOU MR. LYNCH. ALL RIGHT. MEMBER GARCIA. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> THANK YOU, AND MEMBER MARTINEZ. >> JUST REAL QUICK. I HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF ATTENDING THE JUNETEENTH EVENT AND WAS GOING TO PRESENT AN AWARD TO THE THREE CHURCHES AND MOSCOW THAT ARE PREDOMINANTLY MADE UP OF OUR BLACK CITIZENS. I CAN NEVER SAY THIS WORD. APOSTOLIC FAITH TEMPLE, TRUE LIGHT BAPTIST CHURCH, AND THE MACEDONIA CHURCH OF GOD AND CHRIST. THE PROGRAM WAS VERY INTERESTING AND THEY HAD A BUNCH OF PEOPLE OUT THERE, THE COOKING, MR. WILLIAMS WAS BACK OUT THERE, THE COOKING, I THINK IT WAS RIBS, RIGHT. >> [INAUDIBLE] >> TRY TO, BUT THERE WAS A TON OF FOOD OUT THERE. IT ACTUALLY REMINDED ME OF THE OLD ROSEBUDS THAT THEY DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF PUTTING IT TOGETHER. THERE WERE A BUNCH OF VENDORS OUT THERE, A BUNCH OF FOOD, AND IT WAS A VERY WELL-ATTENDED EVENT. >> THANK YOU. FOR ME, AGAIN, I DID ATTEND ALSO JUNETEENTH. I HAD A NICE CONVERSATION WITH SEVERAL PEOPLE AND I THINK IT'S GREAT THAT WE ARE ABLE TO RECOGNIZE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY ACHIEVEMENTS. THAT WAS ON DISPLAY AT THIS EVENT. WE HAD A LOT OF DIFFERENT PEOPLE. EITHER THEY WERE SPEAKING. THEY WERE DANCING, THERE WAS DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES THAT JUST SHOWS THE KIND OF TALENT THAT ARE AFRICAN COMMUNITY HAS, AND IT'S REALLY GOOD TO SEE THIS KIND OF EVENT HAPPEN TO RECOGNIZE THEM FOR WHAT THEY DO AND THEIR ACHIEVEMENTS. SO THANK YOU. VACCINATION CLINIC, YOU'VE HEARD IT EARLIER. I CAN'T SPEAK ANYMORE. >> IT'S 9:30. >> YEAH, I KNOW IT'S LIKE, OH. MY TONGUE IS NOT ROLLING ANYMORE. IT'S GOING TO BE 11:00 TO 3:00 AT THE COURTHOUSE, AND WE'RE HOPING THAT WE CAN PRESENT THE VISA CARDS. >> FOR BUYING THEM AS FAST AS WE CAN. >> YES, I KNOW THE WORDS. SO I APPRECIATE THAT. I THANK YOU FOR STAFF. I SAY IT EVERY MEETING AND I SAY FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART. I APPRECIATE ALL OF THE POINT YOU DO. THE INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDE, I READ IT ALL, AND IT ALLOWS ME TO MAKE INFORMED DECISIONS. THANK YOU EVERYONE FROM THE SAME HEART YOU'RE ON, EVERYONE. WE DO HAVE CLOSED SESSION. IT SHOULD BE A SHORTER ONE, RIGHT? >> YEAH. WE CAN TABLE THAT, AND HANDLE AT THE NEXT MEETING. [LAUGHTER] >> YES. >> THANK YOU, MADAM CLERK. WISE DECISION. ALL RIGHT, WELL, HAVING NOTHING ELSE TO DISCUSS. >> THANK YOU FOR OUR CITIZENS FOR STICKING IT OUT. [OVERLAPPING] >> THANK YOU. >> LET'S GIVE ALL-AROUND OF APPLAUSE [APPLAUSE]. IT IS VERY RARE THAT WE HAVE AN AUDIENCE, [OVERLAPPING] I APPRECIATE IT. YEAH. HOPEFULLY, IT WAS TO YOUR SATISFACTION, WOULD YOU [LAUGHTER]. >> LET ME TURN THE CAMERA AROUND, ALEX? >> OH, YEAH. [OVERLAPPING] >> YEAH. >> YOU GUYS CAN WAIVE IT. [LAUGHTER] [BACKGROUND], YEAH. >> THAT'S RIGHT. THE WHOLE BACK ROW. [LAUGHTER] GENTLEMEN, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED. GOODNIGHT, EVERYONE. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.